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lol no I'm not talking about training players whilst in the abbl.
I don't even think training is relevant in this discussion in the first place since everyone does training..

The point here is promoting too 'early'.. the argument I was trying to get across was already brought up by monkeybiz.. trying to compete in div2 and save money is a pain.. the best I could save was 50k gross a week, if you tanked the abbl you could get 400k gross a week. its a no brainer.

I'm saying there is nothing wrong with promoting too early to get that 1mil promotion money, then tanking the rest of the abbl season... some other people seem to think otherwise.

And like it or not money is a big factor in this game.. look at WA, soon to be 3 abbl titles in a row and look at how jon bogan helped adam guns promote to the abbl too "early", all prime examples of the power of money. Pretty sure WA and adam guns had some kind of plan in process, but the x-factor was the money.

Exactly right, sorry just took what you said the wrong way :)

I'm sorry if the relegating managers (Sid and Adam) feel like i'm having a go at them because i wasn't intending to. It's just something that has been discussed lately amongst a few people and i guess when you're an old fart like me in BB terms, you see a lot of ups and downs and see a lot of promoting teams making the same mistakes every season.

The promoting teams are definitely tougher every season though and this is probably the best group we've ever had i'd say.

My team has the formality of enduring one and hopefully two more lessons from the Doncaster Flames, before technically it can be classified as a relegating team.

How is it that with all this discussion focused of the "sins" of teams that promote too early, that noone has discussed the plight and plans of one of the games most experienced players in Avalon Jets?

In retrospect its not in mine or the Doncaster Flames financial interests for the series to go to a third game



Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/13/2011 4:00:08 PM

Avanlon Jets? I think he was in rebuilding mode most of the season and with good teams such as kynlala knights and monkeybiz coming thru.. he chose the wrong season to rebuild...

Actually I dont really know, cos I was too busy keeping tabs on canberra crushers.

And yes it would be in your best interest to just lose the second game and call it a day, cut your loses so to speak. Or if you think you have a chance to win in the third game, go for broke and go down swinging..

Not sure about the Jets. They played virtually the same tactic week in week out. Shepard could have easily won more games.

If you think you have a chance then you might as well go for broke, who knows you might get lucky by injuring a player or two...

He had no chance at all!!
But I guess thats a good thing cos now he does not have to pay player salaries for this week.

@mllama.. how can you lose to coach parrot! tsk tsk tsk. shouldve upped it up. =P

It just me that can't watch the game live tonight!?

Me neither.

It appears to be the same for all leagues with a deciding game

Farewell to all my foes in the ABBL, I hope to see you all in a seasons time.

Will probably start the season in div 2 with a negative bank balance but will have a few players to sell and certainly have a bigger arena than what I had a season ago.

During the season just finished I've brought 9 players who are mostly fairly well balanced and suited to div 2 and ofcourse hope to pick up at least one half decent draft pick to either train or sell.

Thank you all for the cruel lessons you have inflicted upon my team and also for allowing them 6 wins as well

Hope to double that tally should I make it back there in a seasons time

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 7/24/2011 8:29:06 AM

Farewell to you too and hope you come back bigger and stronger, wait no just come back with more money =P
Sad but true... all you need is money to survive in the abbl. So start saving, training and/or selling those rookies..

This taken from the buzzer beater's best, B3 forums:

The thing I'm worried about is that when you look at B3 developments from season 14 and on, you start to see that the more important aspect in the more important club competition is not something related to basketball but money, in a more specific fashion, saving money.

In season 14 we had this country-buying-to-his-club-in-B3 war which ended with the discussion about how teams could simply buy a monster in order to win a competition played for the whole season. The result was the new B3 system.

In season 15 we saw how the new system was able to prevent the "legendary trick". Despite the fact that the discussion was dominated by the legitimacy talk about the wild card they were others who where looking another fact: The B3 winner was the second most expensive team in competition.

In season 16 we are making fun and throwing some "challenges" in order to avoid something not so fun: the fact that everybody thinks VS is going to win this season. Now, I don't have any problems with it but it somehow bothers me that he's probably going to win it not because he's a very good manager(which, he might be anyway) but because he simply bought a monster team that no one can stop.
And we see some old managers saying that the only way to be a competition for him is to go kamikaze buying another monster team. This might be fun but it also might not be so fun.

The question I want to raise is what do we expect from the B3 competition? Do we want it to be a competition in which you have to save money for many seasons loosing the opportunity the compete for something in a big country, or explode the fact that in a small country you can have a 200k team and win everything while saving 500k per week so you can later buy the B3?

I don't know guys. For me this set of rules are kind of bored, the only way to win is to save for decades in order to(hopefully) face other teams who have been saving for decades. Savings happening in very different conditions related to big vs small country dynamics must be said.

I wanted the B3 to be arena for the most skilled players where they could face each other in order to have a true champion. A competition where the ability to understand the GE, make a good long-term roster development strategy, making good investments securing key players for your strategy, and reading your opponent to win the battle of tactics could led you the championship. Not just saving money. Or not just having the saving money feature as the most important key(I do think that in order to win B3 you should have a good long-term plan but also suffer some short-term difficulties).

Am I the only one who's concerned by these things?