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So personally I'm not a fan of this, as I'm from Lithuania and I feel proud of our national team that still doesn't have naturalized player.
However I think that there should be an option for each manager of NT and U21 team to have 1 naturalized player from any country . That could be players that were not chosen by their home national team . Maybe there could be some criteria such as : 3 seasons in any league of the country that naturalize (f.e French player plays x number seasons in Algeria so Algeria can use him in their NT/U21 IF he is not picked by his own nation). So smth like that..
Benefits ? First of all, a help for micro nations and their national teams.. Can't see big minuses of this idea.. Maybe difficulty to code everything..

Last edited by dismiser at 8/29/2016 6:02:30 PM

It would be nice if the draft were useful on SOME level. If you are playing in anything above Div. V, the draft is useless. There is no real chance of a second rounder turning into an All-Star.

You can't train a guy with 40-50 TSP into 80 and above. You just can't, regardless of his supposed potential. I have literally played this game for years and have never had a franchise changing player. At best, bench support from the draft. And even then it's stretching it.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars spend on scouting to draft the right player/s near the top and it makes no difference. Might as well get rid of the draft or change to have some real impact players each season.

Impact players, not guys who are instantly released moments after appearing on the roster and not worth wasting minutes trying to train. It is a real deterrent to remaining a supporter.

Not sure who will read this or if it will matter, but it needs to be said. I'm sure I'm not the first or last to say it.

Well, I can't take a look at the TSP of your team, I'm not sure you understand how the roster selection works for other teams. So I can only take you at your word.

And yes, I understand how the training works. And even in your BEST case scenario, you are Div. III. with no player (if I remember correctly) much over a 30k salary. That's not competing on the highest levels of BB.

If middling in the middle divisions with all of your wonderful draft picks who in their prime...is proof the system "works"...then ok, you got me.

Right, salaries don't tell the whole story, but in the absence of actual data (TSP) on your players it was the only data available in which to evaluate your team, which you recommended, not lme.

Congrats on being promoted to Div. II and not being able to stay there and having no chance at progressing beyond where you are...which is the point.

The talent accrual function is lopsided and teams do not compete with comparable constraints. No salary cap, no comparable revenue no realistic hope of garnering great talent through the draft.

Through everything you've said, you've only admitted that you've never received anyone special in the draft, while thumping your chest on promotion...which was not my point.

So despite your great prowess as a manager and GM, you can't sniff the top and you have no realistic expectation of franchise altering talent coming your way. That about sums up my point.

Thanks for playing along.

It would be nice if there was a thick box to add automatically the matches of our Utopia team to the scoreboard.

The same skills you need to produce a right answer are the skills you need to know what a right answer even is.

It would be nice if the draft were useful on SOME level. If you are playing in anything above Div. V, the draft is useless. There is no real chance of a second rounder turning into an All-Star.

Robert Ragsdale(35967992): Pick 6 in the season 30 draft, Potential: perennial allstar, Weekly salary: $ 29 692, TSP: 94
Rudolph Gann(33460174): Pick 2 in the season 27 draft, Potential: superstar, Weekly salary: $ 7 097, TSP: ?

Leslie Barrios (35968022): Pick 38 in the season 30 draft, Potential: superstar, Weekly salary: $ 16 393, TSP: 82
Stan Archer (34297233): Pick 32 in the season 28 draft, Potential: perennial allstar, Weekly salary: $ 7 063, TSP: ?

You can't train a guy with 40-50 TSP into 80 and above. You just can't, regardless of his supposed potential. I have literally played this game for years and have never had a franchise changing player. At best, bench support from the draft. And even then it's stretching it.

Hundreds of thousands of dollars spend on scouting to draft the right player/s near the top and it makes no difference. Might as well get rid of the draft or change to have some real impact players each season.

Impact players, not guys who are instantly released moments after appearing on the roster and not worth wasting minutes trying to train. It is a real deterrent to remaining a supporter.

Li Qunda (38356850): Pick 48 in the season 33 draft, Potential: allstar, Weekly salary: $ 6 557, TSP: 73

Probability of reaching >80 TSP, 100%

Not sure who will read this or if it will matter, but it needs to be said. I'm sure I'm not the first or last to say it.

As it stands now, better draft picks would simply be wasted on you. You aren't wrong to say something, but if you had said it earlier someone could have helped you develop your skills along the way.

Congrats on being promoted to Div. II and not being able to stay there and having no chance at progressing beyond where you are...which is the point.

The talent accrual function is lopsided and teams do not compete with comparable constraints. No salary cap, no comparable revenue no realistic hope of garnering great talent through the draft.

Through everything you've said, you've only admitted that you've never received anyone special in the draft, while thumping your chest on promotion...which was not my point.

So despite your great prowess as a manager and GM, you can't sniff the top and you have no realistic expectation of franchise altering talent coming your way. That about sums up my point.

Thanks for playing along.

Div. III has no room for error. Promoting to Div.III means you have earned the right to test your talents against the upper echelon of BB. Staying there would say you deserve to be taken seriously.--Posted on 2/16/2016 by Dr. Baller of Harbor City Storm.

You can ignore what he said and be a dick about it, continue to make excuses, etc., but I think that LOPO is a very good GM that has done very well for himself. I think it would be wise to consider his words more carefully, and show a little fucking respect.

No, you don't understand me correctly.

I said YOU can't reach the top division and YOU said you were overachieving with your draft picks. In fact, you aren't NEAR the top division, with your draft picks and overachieving.

So to review, class...

YOU think you're special as a manager with your "skills" drafting and promoting..and haven't achieved anything special. Thank you for making my point. I hope it's abundantly clear and validating it. That doesn't exist in any "real" scenario. Show me a sport in which a team drafts and develops talent well, overachieves and also does NOT have any success in the upper echelon of their sport.

It exists in reality nowhere. Given this is a simulation with the goal of mimicking reality, that matters.

You're very good at making my points for me. Well done. If you stopped trying to be snide and determined to impress someone with your "accomplishments" you'd be able to see the forest for the trees.

And to go further...

Given the ages of your "draftees" they are past their prime and now declining in skills. You've gotten all you can out of them. Law of diminishing returns.

All that "genius" (air quotes too) in drafting, game management and training and you're living in Div. III and visited Div. II but couldn't compete on that level.

You are fantastic at this debating thing. Maybe you should try it out as a career...or not. At the best of your best, you can't be the best, no matter what you get in the draft.

You made my point FABULOUSLY.

My recommendations are simple. If you are playing in Div. III, the draftees should be consistent with that. If you are in Div. V, the draftees should be consistent with that. If you are in Div. II and you're getting Div. V caliber draftees...that's a problem.

In no REAL basketball league are 99% of all first round draft picks unable to play out the gate and are many seasons away from contributing beyond scrimmages. Check the history, most are fired or never amount to anything. FIRST round picks.

And...the game favors those who have been with it longer, due to changes in player strength. There were MANY more talented players earlier in the game. Fewer teams, better chances at promotion. Don't act like there is some level playing field and people starting the game today can promote as easily as four years ago. Simply not true.

You may LIKE the way this is, just know that's supporting my argument, not yours. I didn't ask you whether you LIKED it. I was saying it's neither realistic nor effective in helping the teams relegated out or those who are promoted. Not a difficult concept, you just wanted to be contrarian and show me your resume.

Not impressed. Show it to your girlfriend if you have one. She may appreciate it. Have a good one.

Last edited by Dr. Baller at 8/30/2016 1:31:49 PM