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Date: 2/12/2015 9:03:30 AM
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NT games are a problem of course and the power of a NT manager just increased this season. Some have gained from the changes (the ones with players used as starters) others have lost. I fully expect more and more people to complain about minute allocations by the end of the season.

I also very much doubt they will be able to implement a more flexible substitution pattern for the foreseeable future though.

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Date: 2/12/2015 9:48:17 AM
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NT games are a problem of course and the power of a NT manager just increased this season. Some have gained from the changes (the ones with players used as starters) others have lost. I fully expect more and more people to complain about minute allocations by the end of the season.

I also very much doubt they will be able to implement a more flexible substitution pattern for the foreseeable future though.

Maybe for NTs we could go backwards with old engine (simpliest way how to solve it?). Dunno how difficult it is to implement more subs for faster tactics (slow paced tactics could stay as it stands now).
Generally, I think this change is ok for regular teams but for NTs we need to get involved more players. We might lose managers interes really quickly if we stay in current mode. (or increasing merchendise revenue for about 20%-30% as we have decreased number of players playing a game)
Lot of managers are focused f.ex. on U21, they are new managers mostly they train "star" potential players and are proud that as new managers somewhere in Div III. league they are able to have a National team player. This is not just about senior national teams. This change has affected maybe bigger spectrum of managers than we all thought..

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Date: 2/12/2015 12:31:09 PM
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Is this happening with your NT? I'd suggest everyone contact the NT manager to state their case, though of course its up to him if he listens or not.

To communities in general I'd say this. Next season when the NT election comes around, make sure you ask candidates whether they intend to field a full lineup or one with only a few players. Then vote for those who give the answer you prefer.

My personal view, and not one I'd say should be inflicted on everyone, is that one of the NT manager's responsibilities is to be fair to his community. Part of that for me is to choose and play the maximum amount of players possible.

Maybe for NTs we could go backwards with old engine

Disagree with this entirely.

(or increasing merchendise revenue for about 20%-30% as we have decreased number of players playing a game)

Your problem as you state it seems to be that people will be unhappy that their players miss out, and therefore don't get any merchandising bonus. Giving more to the people who have players on the NT does nothing for those players whose players have missed out. So again, I disagree entirely.

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Date: 2/12/2015 2:18:55 PM
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Part of that for me is to choose and play the maximum amount of players possible.

That is exactly what i want but unfortunately is not possible anymore. So we want the same right?
As you disagree with compensating rising merch revenues becose players who dont play gets nothing you agree again that current system is not ok. Do you understand that 20-30% of money dissapeard? I am totally in for players comeback but if it is not gonna happen at least the money should be given back to system. As we have less players needed in NTs that means less interes to train players well. At least increasing merch revenues to amount we used to have for 29seasons could be that as backup plan. I d say fair enough becose the money would still be there.
And if i may be that brave and ask about your solution of this situation would you share?
Thanks in advance

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Date: 2/12/2015 3:11:39 PM
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You won't get a straight answer Zajino, but I completely agree with you that managers are hit by this unintended effect of removing blanks.

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Date: 2/12/2015 5:12:34 PM
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If you think we agree you didn't read what I posted. The NT manager can fix this himself if he wants. The community can vote against him if he doesn't do what the community wants.

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Date: 2/13/2015 2:09:40 AM
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The NT manager can fix this himself if he wants. The community can vote against him if he doesn't do what the community wants.

Yes the sky is blue.

But still. What should NT coach fix if nothing is broken? Can you please help me and tell me how can i fix it? Just an idea would appreciated.

And what about the communuty? What was that about?

Thanks for the thrid time.

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Date: 2/13/2015 5:10:22 AM
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I haven't been a NT manager, but I think I like the new system. I mean, NT managers will now have to make choices, and deal with the consequences.

It was too easy for them before..

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I haven't been a NT manager, but I think I like the new system. I mean, NT managers will now have to make choices, and deal with the consequences.

It was too easy for them before..

Sorry but when you reply try to read what the story is about.

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Looking forward to see how it works.


I put the lineup in for my cup game last night noting i was playing a bot opponent.

The findings are sad quite frankly. ...I put a player at the pg, sg and c spots. ...... they played 36 mins strait and st out tee 4th due to blow out.
No tactical changes .

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Sorry but when you reply try to read what the story is about.


It was directed to some of your previous posts.

Perhaps not enough players are getting minutes, but I somewhat like that. With blank lineup, NT managers didn't have any responsibility for minutes distribution or which player would get starting positions. Now they need to make choices, and those choices will influence the end result more, and player's owners might complain and things like that..

All in all, I like the new system, since it puts more responsibility to NT managers.

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