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223953.255 in reply to 223953.254
Date: 2/12/2013 6:57:35 AM
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Im actually ok with this decision. Lets break it down.

We had this situation last season where leeroy promoted the 20 year olds to play the scrimmages and dead-rubbers. I was a winner then because Lawrie got U21 games.
Now im a loser, because he will probably get dumped.

actually... most days im a loser anyways... but i digress.

I think the manager of the U21 team needs to do what is best for the team, as i stated last season with Leeroy.
Going with what Yoda said above, maybe last season what Leeroy did wasnt the right thing, i cant remember the schedule. given the above about what Yoda said, maybe we lost games we didnt have to?

Given that we have games against much lesser opponents - and if iwen can make sure we win against them playing the 20 year olds, then hopefully what yoda says doesnt play out - rankings/etc will not be affected.

so from a team perspective with that point, iwen is the coach and needs to make a decision about this. maybe not toss out all current u21's. maybe just the dud ones LOL but do so with the teams best interest. Playing a 20 year old who isnt quite up to scratch but will be this time next season - i dont see this as good for the team.

Which brings me to my next point - Australia. Not just U21. but Australia. some of the current crop of players will become Aus Nat team members, and having that extra "Experience" (and i mean - the player stat) will make them a better player now - which makes training easier and hopefully a better Aus National Team in the future as well as competition for spots, healthy transfer market etc etc etc etc blah blah blah

Maybe its a simple case of dumping all guys with potential lower than MVP? Which would maybe give you the chance to blood future MVP and above 20 year old potential, AND then also keep existing guys AND win the next 2 games. Huzzah!

As a side note iwen - thanks for the notice that you are going to dump the guys - as a suggestion for future, it would be ideal if like, 1 weeks more notice was given - the time of the season means that some of the users may have still been trying to get their players into good gameshape for you whilst potentially risking league games.... - now ur gonna dump them - so yer... Hey i guessed you would do this after the HK loss, but some prior notice would have been nice. But thanks for the notice now :)

So a Summary:
- Dump only non-high potential players.
- Pick only high potential players.
- User high potential players to win next few games
- Give a little earlier notice of potential dumping plans. If we were dating, id like some prior notification that given set circumstances, id be dumped. You would probably wanna konw if, i was a woman, who used to a man right? So yer.

Good luck for the rest of it.
PS: im a man
PPS: Ive always been a man
PPPS: Keep Lawrie in the team please.

From: whitewind

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223953.256 in reply to 223953.255
Date: 2/12/2013 7:39:35 AM
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been watching the u21 this season, not commenting, just learning. And I gotta say I agree with yodabigs comments. Seems like a kick in the guts to the trainers that they are dropped with 2 games to go. Give the 21yr olds the experience they deserve.

Enjoyed watching this season, hoping to have 2-3 trainees contending for the side in a season or twos time

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223953.257 in reply to 223953.254
Date: 2/12/2013 5:00:40 PM
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I don't mind it to be honest as well - especially if blokes that got cut now were bought in as 20yos because the same process was followed last season.

I do it with Cymru every year as i want to encourage the managers of the 20yo's to keep up the training.

From: iwen
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223953.258 in reply to 223953.257
Date: 2/12/2013 5:35:44 PM
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We've always done this for seasons which were essentially over.

I could let them play two more games or give next seasons crop 2 games worth of experience and try some new things instead.

Agree to give more notice next time. Next seasons crop will be culled early too if we get knocked out early.

If anything, seeing your 20 year old in the team would motivate you to train harder.

From: iwen
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223953.259 in reply to 223953.1
Date: 2/12/2013 5:54:36 PM
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Just need to make a point here about Rylance.

He is in the team now and is the best shooter of next seasons U21 crop. In fact he would be the 2nd best shooter and 3rd best defender if he was in this season's team right now.

As always, I allow others to offer lineups for games and will continue doing so, even if it means Rylance isn't in the team. (Provided the tactics make sense and I agree with the methodology)

Always feel free to pull me up for favoritism if you like. I will happily justify if required.

From: Leeroy

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223953.260 in reply to 223953.254
Date: 2/12/2013 8:29:58 PM
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Last season we had one game left against USA U21. After a horrible season with game shape and a majority of unruly managers who would not listen to my pleas for good Game Shape I decided to promote the 20 year olds. I don't know if you guys remember last seasons crop, but it wasn't grand.

I see no problem with what I did considering 80% of the teams managers did not deserve to have another U21 game, for the ones that did I said thank you to all.

From: mllama

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223953.261 in reply to 223953.259
Date: 2/13/2013 1:57:20 AM
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FAVOURITISM!!!

(I don't think you have any issues for the record, he is clearly good enough to be in the team and a regular starter now)

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223953.262 in reply to 223953.261
Date: 2/13/2013 6:52:07 AM
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So my player does have a lot of weak points but I'm hoping by the time he's 21 he will be a defensive force and not a full liability on offenders for the U21 team. I hope to get passing to atleast medicore next season. Aswell as training IS and 1v1. Then back to defence and some JR and Passing here and there following season.

What do you guys think

Currently. Just upgraded to lol 6 trainer
Weekly salary: $ 3 100
Role: regular starter
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DMI: 38700
Age: 18
Height: 6'5" / 196 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: proficient
Jump Shot: average Jump Range: awful
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: strong
Driving: awful Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: proficient ↑
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: average
Stamina: atrocious Free Throw: pitiful

Experience: atrocious

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223953.263 in reply to 223953.262
Date: 2/13/2013 5:21:21 PM
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How is Taua Kemp looking for next season?

Weekly salary: $ 12 848
Role: rotation player
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DMI: 296900
Age: 20
Height: 5'11" / 180 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: proficient

Jump Shot: strong Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: sensational Handling: prominent
Driving: sensational Passing: tremendous
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: awful

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223953.264 in reply to 223953.260
Date: 2/13/2013 5:57:30 PM
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lol u should try running barbados where ur best player is $20k & in inept GS while ur most effective is a $8k in strong lol

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223953.265 in reply to 223953.262
Date: 2/13/2013 5:58:47 PM
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jus sayin there is a 0% chance theyll have a guard with such bad passing need to up it a LOT!!!

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