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Date: 2/13/2015 2:09:40 AM
Nitra Corgons
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The NT manager can fix this himself if he wants. The community can vote against him if he doesn't do what the community wants.

Yes the sky is blue.

But still. What should NT coach fix if nothing is broken? Can you please help me and tell me how can i fix it? Just an idea would appreciated.

And what about the communuty? What was that about?

Thanks for the thrid time.

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Date: 2/13/2015 5:10:22 AM
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I haven't been a NT manager, but I think I like the new system. I mean, NT managers will now have to make choices, and deal with the consequences.

It was too easy for them before..

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Date: 2/13/2015 6:35:48 AM
Nitra Corgons
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I haven't been a NT manager, but I think I like the new system. I mean, NT managers will now have to make choices, and deal with the consequences.

It was too easy for them before..

Sorry but when you reply try to read what the story is about.

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Date: 2/13/2015 10:32:16 AM
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Looking forward to see how it works.


I put the lineup in for my cup game last night noting i was playing a bot opponent.

The findings are sad quite frankly. ...I put a player at the pg, sg and c spots. ...... they played 36 mins strait and st out tee 4th due to blow out.
No tactical changes .

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Date: 2/13/2015 12:15:31 PM
Neverwinter
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Sorry but when you reply try to read what the story is about.


It was directed to some of your previous posts.

Perhaps not enough players are getting minutes, but I somewhat like that. With blank lineup, NT managers didn't have any responsibility for minutes distribution or which player would get starting positions. Now they need to make choices, and those choices will influence the end result more, and player's owners might complain and things like that..

All in all, I like the new system, since it puts more responsibility to NT managers.

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Date: 2/13/2015 12:24:45 PM
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For managers of NT players, the new BLU is a disaster. You are right. The starting 5 plays most of the time and some players who played 1-3 minutes with the old BLU dnp now. So, like you said, it is lost money.
Our NT played for seasons with a manager generated line up. The new BLU doesn't affect us, but I understand that it's a hard blow for some countries. Like motivation for training NT players etc.

@all who is interessted
How the new BLU works:
You set your players. Let's say three starters. PG, SF and C. And the rest is clear. The Engine will take a look at all the other players, rate them and fill the two empty starter slots. After that it will asign a back up for every starter. Again, based on the engine generated rating. If the rating of the starter and the back up is close, the engine will sub the starter out more often. If there is a big gap between these two, the starter will play as long as his rating is better as his back up's. Stamina has a huge influence on this. So it can and will happen, that a starter will play for 47/48 min because his back up has Stamina 2 or 3.

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Date: 2/13/2015 3:13:57 PM
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Private leauge game amd more of the same. ...pg, sf and center plugged in.

All three played 48 mins in the same spot.

This adjustment made this season is crippling!
This is no exaggeration on my part. ... it is clearly a step back.

The Devs should take out the tactic "Let the coach decide", because in the spirit of thoes very words that aspect no longer exists. The blank lineup allowed you to see what the coach would do in letting him decide.

This present GE is a dinosaur.

Last edited by BarryS at 2/13/2015 3:15:33 PM

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Date: 2/13/2015 5:10:03 PM
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Manon I probably have played about 200 games iwth CPfDC and if the starter is the better player he will play more minutes than in blank/LCD. That is a fact. What you can do in league games is to keep minutes in check by setting a better player as backup (he will play 20-35 minutes depending how much better he is than the starter), however that will not help you in a NT game since you won't play a significantly better player as backup. CPfDC is much more flexible than strictly, but it only helps marginally if you set your best possible lineup.

Let's put it this way. The sub pattern with blank/LCD was already in the game. Surely they can implement something similar without the blank.

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Date: 2/13/2015 5:18:12 PM
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This is accurate and I believe CPfDC works the same way. Also, now a fully set depth chart/CPfDC and fully set depth chart/LCD should give very similar results. We should get the old sub pattern with LCD (with more limitations to players juggling around different positions).

The code must be there, presumably they would just need to tweak it.

I will ask on Wednesday if I have the time to log. The alternative is reworking the impact on merchandise of course.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/13/2015 5:22:27 PM

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Date: 2/15/2015 11:10:19 AM
Nitra Corgons
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The sub pattern with blank/LCD was already in the game. Surely they can implement something similar without the blank.

+1

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