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136735.26 in reply to 136735.23
Date: 4/8/2010 3:59:24 PM
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Thanks, still a complete noob here and am just trying to find a way to earn some cash to develop a better team. Long term I don't see either one of those players playing for my team, but maybe they can generate some income.

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136735.27 in reply to 136735.18
Date: 4/14/2010 4:15:45 AM
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After 9-10 Weeks of OD then what? He is then at the starting point of a decent trainee after wasting 70% of the season. If he is able to get any value from him its a much better call than pushing him to get to a starting point.


The flip side to this is if he has 2 other trainees that would also benefit and ramp up in value with 9 weeks of OD training. He is then faced with still a reasonable to good trainee albeit 19yo. But how many times would you draft better than this guy if he did have respectable OD at age 19??

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136735.28 in reply to 136735.27
Date: 4/14/2010 8:04:39 AM
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I view any Draftees that are 19 as Free Money that I can get on the market. Losing that first year is so crucial to training and I wont bother training a 19y/o no matter how "nice" they are.

In this managers case even if he had 2 other trainees I felt the best move would be to cash out and utilize that cash elsewhere.

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136735.29 in reply to 136735.28
Date: 4/14/2010 8:07:23 AM
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I view any Draftees that are 19 as Free Money that I can get on the market. Losing that first year is so crucial to training and I wont bother training a 19y/o no matter how "nice" they are.

In this managers case even if he had 2 other trainees I felt the best move would be to cash out and utilize that cash elsewhere.


Interesting point of view. I guess a lot depends on potential because unless we are talking an MVP you can get a perennial to max out by age 22 so if you imagine starting him at 19 and max him out at 23 thats no big deal is it? Do you think that if you trained the same regime for a player 18-22 vs 19-23 there would be more than 2 possibly 3 weeks of difference in what you could achieve?

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136735.30 in reply to 136735.29
Date: 4/14/2010 8:27:56 AM
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I think there is a difference in this discussion between the different positions. With big men they train faster than guards as they have less positions to train and also cap faster(younger). In the case of bigmen I think your right that there would only be about a half a seasons difference (Roughly six week, 1 pop in each main skill).

However I train guards both of my 22 y/o's are MVP's and I believe only 1 of them will hit his cap. Age is going to be my biggest enemy as it takes guards far longer to reach their cap then big men. So in the case of guards I need that trainee to be 18 otherwise I'm shorting myself.

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136735.31 in reply to 136735.30
Date: 4/14/2010 9:07:35 AM
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Disagree FC. Gipson capped out at the end of his 22nd year. He is barely training anymore and he is Perennial Allstar. Superfly Guy is right. Also you need to think that there is a difference between established teams like ours and newer managers. They often don't have the money to spend on PRIME trainees so spending 1/4 of the price on 1/2 the player makes a tremendous amount of sense for them.

The best strategy for newer teams, in my opinion, is train for a year or two, sell, buy new trainees. It doesn't work well to train for 4-5 years before making a trade because they often have so many other holes.

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136735.32 in reply to 136735.30
Date: 4/14/2010 9:27:46 AM
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I hear you - didnt think that it would be 6 weeks difference. I think my opinions are partially clouded by the fact ive been training older guys these past seasons and Im not entirely sure of the slowdown. I contribute some naturally to age and some to the soft cap of the potential.

I would reckon by the time your guards are almost done you will be at a competitive level where you might also have to train older guys mixed in with younger drafts as well.

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136735.33 in reply to 136735.31
Date: 4/14/2010 9:44:50 AM
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difference between established teams like ours and newer managers

I agree, I was blessed to have drafted Lundy but I still think in terms of this managers trainee starting in such a deep hole for OD doesnt make sense. He could sell the player and grab a AllStar/PAllstar for a decent price. I just grabbed an 18y/o P Allstar with great starting skills for 400k. A bargain in my eyes. The extreme prices usually correlate with potential as most managers deem MVP/HOF players to be worthy of 1m+ no matter their skills, a mistake in my eyes.

But yes, the best strategy is to train and sell for a few seasons to build up your teams net worth. In the end climbing up the ranks of BB is just a numbers game of increasing your teams total value until you get to the competitive leagues in which you really look for the right player for the right slot. Until you get up there everyone is expendible. I turnover my bigmen once a season and always look for a player whos value will not diminish much as they wont get a lick of training from me.

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136735.34 in reply to 136735.32
Date: 4/14/2010 9:50:15 AM
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I think my opinions are partially clouded by the fact ive been training older guys these past seasons and Im not entirely sure of the slowdown.

I've had my 2 MVP guards since they were both 18, have tracked every week of training minutes, and pops. I've noticed a slowdown while not significant yet its amazing how fast the 18 y/o's pop. One of my 18y/o's last season had back to back JS pops something I hadn't seen before.

I would reckon by the time your guards are almost done you will be at a competitive level where you might also have to train older guys mixed in with younger drafts as well

Each stage of this game gets harder and harder to bring in a Rookie and train him properly as your facing ever better opponents. When Lundy was a rookie he was my top player and one of the top in DV, so it wqas easy to train him. Now in D3 I have to 48 my rookies in my Cup/Scrimmage and struggle to slip them some minutes in league games as their a liability. When you get to the stage of the game your aty it only makes sense to take half/mostly finished projects and put the final touches on them as they wont hurt you and your also in the financial position to be able to afford these expensive players, something I cannot yet do.



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136735.36 in reply to 136735.15
Date: 6/7/2010 8:06:44 AM
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you can make him a SG because his handles is awful according to the chart he is an average height for it too so he might be good for that position if he's surronded by a good PG and SF.