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202589.26 in reply to 202589.25
Date: 11/16/2011 8:17:21 PM
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I know I might be "outing" myself, but I usually only offer Tie-Deals if I´m going to play Tie anways. So even if my opponent denies the deal, it´s still a 85% probability that I´ll Tie the game, unless I really have a serious reason to expect him to crunch. In that case, I´ll try to convince my opponent to at least agree not to crunch simply by telling him I´m planning to tie nevertheless, unless I have him "up for something", in which case I´d play normal and leave him with the risk of STILL losing if crunching.

And I´m obviously only offering Tie-Deals when I´m the favourite for the game and if I´m having a solid chance of winning tie vs. normal or normal vs. CT.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 11/16/2011 8:18:47 PM

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202589.27 in reply to 202589.25
Date: 11/17/2011 1:58:55 AM
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You have option number 5: say no for TIE-TIE and offer him normal-TIE then you turn advantage (in terms of your thinking) to your side.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 11/17/2011 1:59:35 AM

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202589.28 in reply to 202589.27
Date: 11/17/2011 2:56:06 AM
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ah yeah, also variant 6:
say no to mTIE and offer your opponent to play TIE while you are using CT.

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202589.29 in reply to 202589.28
Date: 11/17/2011 2:59:18 AM
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It's in fact the same as his variant 4 breaking the deal, only difference is whether you break it by normal or CT.

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202589.30 in reply to 202589.27
Date: 11/17/2011 5:42:39 AM
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You have option number 5: say no for TIE-TIE and offer him normal-TIE then you turn advantage (in terms of your thinking) to your side.


You mean tell him that he can play TIE while I play normal?

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202589.31 in reply to 202589.30
Date: 11/17/2011 8:57:32 AM
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Exactly, deals are not just TIE-TIE, I have played several times TIE-normal or normal-TIE on deal and once even normal-normal on deal.

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202589.32 in reply to 202589.31
Date: 11/17/2011 9:07:03 AM
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Mmmm...I see your point, but that's kind of option 2, where I don't agree to the TIE-TIE.
But, let's say that I counter the TIE-TIE with a normal-TIE, like you said. Why would team Y agree to this? He's throwing away his advantage. Besides, if I were team Y, I would ask myself:
"Why would he want to play normal when I'm the stronger team and I am the clear favorite for this game? He knows something I don't know. I don't want to lose this one, screw it, I'm playing normal. Better safe than sorry."


How did those games when you played TIE while your opponent played normal turn out? Did you win all of them? Well, you might have, you have a very solid team

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202589.33 in reply to 202589.32
Date: 11/17/2011 10:42:58 AM
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Someone can you offer TIE-TIE even if he wants play TIE anyway (or just doesn't want to play TIE-CT). But you don't know it when he is asking for TIE-TIE. But in this case he could agree with your re-proposal of normal-TIE. I think it worths ask him. If he refuses you wouldn't still be in worse situation than before.
It happens me at least once, I played match where I would have agreed to TIE-normal, but as I saw on forum that my opponent is very confident of strength of his team I offered him TIE-TIE and he accepted it.
Deals are sometimes about negotiation and some kind of "psychological war". Some managers are saying that it's obvious what asking team would play without an agreement but it's not true. Sometimes even I don't what I will play if opponent refuses my offer so how the others could know it?

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202589.34 in reply to 202589.33
Date: 11/17/2011 4:27:34 PM
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I have never had a proposal like this...why? Because everybody knows that i ALWAYS play TIE:)

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202589.35 in reply to 202589.32
Date: 11/18/2011 2:23:49 AM
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Mmmm...I see your point, but that's kind of option 2, where I don't agree to the TIE-TIE.
But, let's say that I counter the TIE-TIE with a normal-TIE, like you said. Why would team Y agree to this? He's throwing away his advantage. Besides, if I were team Y, I would ask myself:
"Why would he want to play normal when I'm the stronger team and I am the clear favorite for this game? He knows something I don't know. I don't want to lose this one, screw it, I'm playing normal. Better safe than sorry."


How did those games when you played TIE while your opponent played normal turn out? Did you win all of them? Well, you might have, you have a very solid team :)



tie vs normal was quite normal on nt level, where ct are more common(a and neckbreaking) then at least the league i play.

But when you have clearly the better team and suggest a Tie vs Tie, such a onesided deal would be more a joke for the one who get him and i believe in such cases they got broken more often. But when you say i am afraid of your ct, so that i wouldn't play tie against you but the enthusiam would be nice for future games so i suggest you a normal vs Tie ... Then i got an enthusiam boost, and you have a little chanche and can still crunch another opponent.

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202589.36 in reply to 202589.35
Date: 11/18/2011 1:38:15 PM
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I didn't read all answers but my proposal is: if you don't want to give any comments for TIE-deal, do not read your bb-mail before game. Your opponent can see if you have read your bb-mail or not.....

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