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From: Knowledge

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229255.28 in reply to 229255.27
Date: 11/6/2012 12:12:33 AM
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Thing is the guy with the 73 million sales started back in '10 with a completly different market

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229255.29 in reply to 229255.26
Date: 11/6/2012 12:17:12 AM
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I looked at the players you're making $$$ from the TL and a lot of them are in the 100k+ salary range.
Managers in our position (not in a country's div.I) simply can't afford to purchase these players to flip them for more money.

Could I do this with the 20k-60k players I am accustom to searching for? Quite possibly, but probably on a lower scale.

It is a luxury you have in your small country too, no? Your roster isn't too much more expensive than mine right now and you are div.I and I am div.III. You get to use your big TV contact and merchandise to play with the market.

I have to use my time to add and get lower salary according to if I'm still in the cup or not, when I face top seeds from other conference, and of course when playoffs approach. (And then as you pointed out, I still have to troll.)

Maybe in the future I will be bidding on these TL bargains of yours, but not yet. Next division I also have to build up arena a little more as well.

(I also wasn't the one pointing out your spelling tendencies.However, the 7s are all I notice when there are more than normal.)

If you remember me, then I don't care if everyone else forgets.
From: FuriousSK

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229255.30 in reply to 229255.24
Date: 11/6/2012 12:17:34 AM
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Honestly I didn't bother reading your entire post.


I'm not saying you are a crummy manager or anything...I'm saying you shouldn't be giving advice about the market wtihout much practical experience with it.


@everyone I'm not trying to offend folks, and well I seem to have...not my goal, my bad and all that. Take the advice of the guy with 500k in sales or the guy with over 60million in sales. The choice is yours.


I know respect over the internet means nothing, but at least try.

Maybe you'll get more people to listen to you rather than going the elitest route on the last quote.

@valhalla: find someone else to bother. please. we got told to play nice the last time this got started, so please.. just stop. I only comment in every 15 or 16 topics, you can respond to someone else.


Last edited by FuriousSK at 11/6/2012 12:19:26 AM

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229255.31 in reply to 229255.30
Date: 11/6/2012 12:30:30 AM
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Ok, I'm going to just interject here. I actually agree with w_alloy here, even though I've disagreed with many of his points in the past. Furthermore, I think you're being a little harsh by writing him off as a troll, even if his last comment did come across as rather snobby. Even though a lot of his opinions are kind of on the extremes, he is usually very good at having well thought out responses and reasons for his arguments, which is a lot more than you can say for 90% of the people who post in these forums.

Let me explain why I agree with him on the case of John Runyon. Runyon is listed as a center, with low JS/JR and extremely low OD. His passing was ok and I forget what his handling/driving were, but neither of them were particularly great. His inside skills were very good for a future guard, as you might expect from a center. So you might think, as I thought for a while, this guy is a steal. I can train up his outside skills, and then I'll have a guard with great inside skills. Great deal, right?

Here's the thing though. OD can be trained up, but let's look at the difference between a player who started out with 1 OD, vs the guy who started with 6 or 7 OD. It will take you probably 8+ weeks of training as an 18yo to make up the difference, or over half a season. That's a lot of primaries to make up, so even though he has great secondaries it's unlikely that he'll ever be as good as the player who started with better primaries and worse secondaries. By training such a player hard for several seasons, you can still turn them into good players, but it's not cost efficient. If you had trained a player with better primaries, you could have sold him for more, or sold him earlier for a better price. So the opportunity cost of the training spot is often higher with these short centers/tall guards.

Do I think that these types of players are bad? Of course not. I love those sort of players, have drafted and trained one, and every draft I look for another one. But if their primaries are truly bad, then it really doesn't matter how good their secondaries are; it's not going to be cost-effective to train them to their full potential.

In this specific case, to get Runyon to the level of a typical guard, you'll have to put in probably an extra 1-2 seasons of training, which is time you could spend training your next trainee to sell. That's why I feel it's not worth it, given that his outside skills are so low. You might not agree, but do you at least see what I'm saying?

(If not, then I'll try to rephrase my argument when I'm not practically falling asleep at my computer).

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229255.35 in reply to 229255.31
Date: 11/6/2012 1:03:49 AM
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His last comment took something i never said and implied that i did.

your correct on his lowish JS and JR. I don't find that hard to train up. I don't like training up OD per say, but i think it gets a tremendously bad rap as something that is untrainable. I feel that the players listed in this manner are also significantly undervalued for what they are. If i get two or three of them and can simultaniously train them all up at the same time, then it makes them far more valuable to me, and to the TL as a whole. Runyon might be on the low end. but i think he at the time of the draft was worth more than the 4k offer. He wasn't worth the first listing a week beforehand. think it was roughly 175k.

I'd disagree on the whole with the assessment that Runyon isn't worth the training resources. I certainly wouldn't keep him as the first or second guy in line, but assuming i cover my minutes in a given week with my first two trainees i see no reason not to go ahead and turn him into something rather than wasting minutes on a nobody on my roster, or a 1k player who has zero secondaries.

I would fully agree with you on the OD side being poor, but i also did a bit of analysis on how hard it would be to train a guy from a 2IS/3ID vs a 1 OD, and found that i would save 3-4 weeks training OD rather than secondaries, if i were to train them at the same time. And on the whole, the later it got into the players age, the worse it seemed to get. If i train HA and OD, and we start at a 2/2 OD/HA and a 2/2 IS/ID or ID/REB, then it's much the same thing. Even though the ID/REB benefit from one another, they still only match the training speed.

I don't really develop players for profit that often, and i do agree that when i sell him for the amount i expect to fetch, i'll probably end up overall with a loss based on salary costs, but it'll give me an idea of where i need to start from if i take a secondaries starting point on a guard.

From: Knowledge

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229255.36 in reply to 229255.34
Date: 11/6/2012 1:16:49 AM
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Difference between you and them is you are in a micronation,those guys don't make the exact money as you.

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