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From: Ehud

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Date: 12/16/2012 4:27:56 PM
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I like the 2 - 1 - 2 D idea

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From: GM-Eran

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Date: 12/17/2012 10:14:10 PM
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2-1-2???

Please draw me a diagram of this defense, I'm having trouble picturing it. You can also post a youtube video or whatever, just visualise how this defense works.

From: E.B.W.
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Date: 12/20/2012 5:05:09 PM
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I would just like to say that tonight in my cup game I will play patient and will enjoy watching every minute of my center putting up 40+ points.

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From: yodabig

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Date: 12/21/2012 4:18:32 AM
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I don't know if I have said this before but I think it is critical to the game.

Your opponent is playing LI, play M2M or maybe 2/3 (risky).
Your opponent is playing LP, play M2M or maybe 2/3 (risky).
Your opponent is playing BO, play M2M.
Your opponent is playing PTB, play M2M.
Your opponent is playing R&G, play M2M or maybe 3/2.
Your opponent is playing Motion, play M2M or maybe 3/2.
But...
Your opponent is playing Patient, play 3/2 or maybe 2/3.


It is the one offence that actually hurts M2M.

From: yodabig

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Date: 12/22/2012 6:03:12 PM
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I do basically agree. The 2/3 zone is only for very unusual funky lineups but is still probably better than man to man if you are against a star SG at PF. I should have mentioned 1-3-1 is also good against patient as long as you are very confident about the matchups and rebounding situation.

From: yodabig

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Date: 12/23/2012 4:44:29 PM
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I have also used a fair bit of patient but can't ever recall seeing a 2/3 zone used against me. Obviously we all agree 3/2 is the best defence but my (untested) thinking is that comparing the options:

M2M
Opponents SG playing at C taking outside shots against your C with atrocious OD.

2/3 Zone
Opponents SG playing at C taking outside shots against your PG and SG who are "working their asses off" to cover the outside and performing much worse than their normal wondrous levels. Maybe down to around as low as prolific to respectable effectiveness.

It seems to me that the 2/3 zone is still better.

Mind you the 3rd option is to have a team with bigs with OD. My C and PF have proficient or better OD. Not everyone has that luxury I know.

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Date: 12/24/2012 9:39:56 AM
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I have also used a fair bit of patient but can't ever recall seeing a 2/3 zone used against me. Obviously we all agree 3/2 is the best defence but my (untested) thinking is that comparing the options:

M2M
Opponents SG playing at C taking outside shots against your C with atrocious OD.

2/3 Zone
Opponents SG playing at C taking outside shots against your PG and SG who are "working their asses off" to cover the outside and performing much worse than their normal wondrous levels. Maybe down to around as low as prolific to respectable effectiveness.


Occasionally with the M2M, though, you might have enough OD to prevent the ball from getting to the mismatch in a good shooting position in time, whereas in the 2-3 the passes get through much easier and if for some reason they don't, the guards will still have a much easier task should they choose to drive or shoot over the weakened defense.

I think it's an interesting idea at least, but I keep coming back to the crazy notion that against that type of player, you want to either make him miss more shots or make sure he can't get the ball, and the 2-3 says "Here, have the ball, and we won't bother defending you either."


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