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Let's look at the Heat's competition:

The Spurs (who you derided for being "Old and Crappy") actually have way more young talent than the Heat. Ginobli and Duncan are 36 and 37 respectively, but Parker is 31 (same age as Wade, except he's not showing his age as much) and their games have never been based on pure athleticism like some other players. Their age still slows them down somewhat but they'll still be playing at a high level. But they have players like Cory Joseph (21 years old, defensive-minded PG who is basically at least as good as Norris Cole, except 3 years younger), Kawhi Leonard (22 years old, excellent SF who came into his own during the Finals and will get much, much better). Danny Green is better than any of the Heat's shooters (Battier, Allen-better pure shooter but not nearly as good defensively, Chalmers) and is only 26. Tiago Splitter is 28, same age as Lebron. Diaw is 31, younger than any of the Heat's bench role players. And while the Heat are not developing any young talent, the Spurs have consistently drafted and developed young players, stashing them overseas as necessary. Splitter was one of those, and I believe Ryan Richards will follow in his footsteps sooner rather than later. Overall, the Spurs are younger than the Heat. Who are you calling "old and crappy"?

The Pacers have young talent with Paul George (uber-talented, still improving. Probably will never be on the level of James or Durant but still very good). Roy Hibbert gave the Heat tons of problems in the playoffs because they have no one with his size. Granger didn't play at all in the playoffs against the Heat, but is a proven scorer when healthy. Stephenson is talented, a bit of a headcase at times but maturing. And he's young and improving his game. Very athletic without the greatest outside shot, I could see him as a poor man's Wade (and at this point in his career, Wade is also not what he once was, as I mentioned earlier). George Hill is a solid PG, not spectacular but neither is Chalmers. They've added some nice bench pieces in Scola and I'm a fan of Chris Copeland. David West is a great PF. Orlando Johnson could improve. Oh yeah, Scola is the oldest player on the roster and he's 33. That makes him younger than most of the Heat's bench. Which of these two teams will be better in three years, when Allen, Battier, Lewis, and Haslem retire and the Heat have no one to replace them with? I like the Pacers.

The Thunder have the greatest SF in the game not named Lebron James, and a player who is definitely of James' caliber. Kevin Durant is 4 years younger than James and has made great improvements in his efficiency, defense, and all-around game. Russell Westbrook is an outstanding athlete who is capable of being a #1 option on most teams, and seems determined to be the #1 option on the Thunder (and Durant lets him for some reason, but that's another story). Ibaka is a young big man, outstanding defensively, and improving his shooting. If he learns how to pass he'll be an offensive threat too. Collison picks up the slack for him though as an offensive big man. Reggie Jackson stepped up in the playoffs and looks to be emerging. Thabo Sefolosha is a nice "3 and D" player. They have tons of young talent like Daniel Orton (probably not going to amount to much, but has about as much chance of defying expectations as Oden), Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones, and Steven Adams who can all become nice players in the future. In short, they have the pieces to compete now, and way more youth and upside than the Heat.

The Warriors and Nets both could be nuisances, but I don't think either has what it takes to be a legit contender. Don't completely count them out though.

I don't have time or knowledge to talk in depth about the Rockets now and there's a fair amount of uncertainty, but Harden is an elite scorer, Chandler Parsons may be the most cost-effective and underrrated player in the NBA IMO, Lin has been so

Dude im a heat for life ever since i startered watching basketball the year after the won in 2006 when the lost the 1st round to the bulls #heatforlife and i live in Miami so i love my hometown team when lebron james came i loved them the same as i loved them in 2007. Second of all i hate the lakers and bulls i would never change for a player.

You know why i never talk on forums?? Because when u say 1 thing and your talking to only 1 guy EVERYBODY jumps in and tells "facts" sir i really dont care what you have to say #HEATFORLIFE you'll never change my opinion yo 6peat in Miami let me believe that if im wrong im wrong if im right im right accept that please. And really you would take all that time off your head for that... but honestly i dont care what you have to say. Thanks for your time

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Last edited by Fruity_Cakes at 8/12/2013 7:20:53 PM

You created a thread. You're not talking to only one guy. And you're trash talking everyone else, loudly and arrogantly proclaiming your team's superiority with little to support it. You're obviously looking for confrontation and discussion; if you didn't want us to know your opinions you wouldn't have bothered to write a post. And frankly, you should have expected some backlash when you post something controversial. I'm a Boston fan living in Pittsburgh, proud fan of the Celtics (which no one in Pittsburgh minds) but also the Bruins and Patriots, which gets me tons and tons of crap. So I know when I open my mouth about my team, I expect that I'll hear it from my friends and from those around me. The Heat are not a well-liked team; you know people are going to speak up in opposition when you loudly proclaim their greatness. If you can't handle that, then you should have kept your oversized mouth shut.

And you're welcome for my time; really, though, I could tell from reading your poorly written, uninformed comments that you were a complete homer who wasn't interested in having a discussion. Since you also talked about playing 2k13 in another thread, I assume this is because you are a bored teenager who isn't mature enough to be having serious, thoughtful conversations especially with strangers on online forums. So my comment was written more to the other people in this thread than to you, to spark up actual discussion. I don't consider my time wasted any more than you consider your time wasted when you're playing video games all day (a habit which likely hurts your academic performance and long-term prospects far more than my writing a single post does).

See, this is why us Floridians can't have nice things, because of people like you. Although I can say that I like it here in Miami, my favorite team is actually the Cavs. Gotta love an underdog.

Last edited by TragicBronson at 8/12/2013 8:26:58 PM

If I could +1 you 20 times for that, I would

Look who's talking about oversized mouth lol #hypercritic this is how much i care about your posts.
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I just stated an opinion of mines didn't mean to bring this whole discussion and what so serious about it??? WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT BASKETBALL. Then you have to put this long post about the nba blah blah blah i believe the heat could a a 6peat ain't nobody care about your last season stats its a new season the real deal.
U know what ill respond to that long comment of yours lets go. Cold hard facts will be handed down.

Last edited by Fruity_Cakes at 8/12/2013 9:47:56 PM

We are just talking about basketball. Yes. Why so serious? If we like something, shouldn't we be willing to put a little effort and thought into it? I had the time, I wrote a response. I don't see this is fanatical or anything.

I admit I may have been a little harsh (you did insult me and condescendingly dismiss my post, which upset me a little) but that does not make my mouth oversized. The difference between you and me is that I can support everything I said with reasons and facts, something that I don't think you can say. By the way, you misspelled "hypocritic[al]" in your hashtag. It's sad but hilarious how some people are so sensitive to having their intelligence questioned, but when they respond they prove their critics right. Like they say, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Words to live by for some of us, I guess.

Spurs more talent than the heat???? Nope nope nope. Ginobli & Duncan old Parker is at wades age and wade is still better.
Green better than any of the heat shooters?? Thats 1 thing i cant handle with u *****es he does good in the finals and then considered a great shooter even though he is one hes not better than THE BEST ALL TIME pay attention yo.
The heat young talent i can but still they have some young talent coming. Cole Chalmers Ennis Oden Kabong or whatever his name is.
Heat total ages :436
Spurs total ages: 463
I added all up check for yourself tell me whose the older team???

When did i say anything bad about Paul George or Roy Hibbert? Granger will not be the same Stephenson is a little kid who thinks he owns the NBA messing with the #1 player ( Thats why Dexter Pitman knocked him out :) ) And remember thats 3 YEARS LATER. The heat have a bunch of time to get younger players with cap space.

Durant the greatest SF in the game??? AAHAHAHAHA! Very funny not like it matters but a year back the "greatest SF ever" went crying to his mommy when he lost! hahaha. Really honestly you keep talkign about age age age who cares??? Kobe is still playing great at his age vyou cant predict the future man by the time KD is LBJ age LBJ might be better. Just like when Kobe was LBJ age he was better but now LBJ is better.

Wade is better than Parker? False. Parker was playing at an unreal level last season before getting hurt, probably an MVP level if not for Lebron. Wade's athleticism was noticeably diminished, he wasn't nearly as effective driving to the basket and teams completely disrespected his jump shot (for good reason, I might add). His scoring numbers were down and a much higher proportion of his baskets were assisted. And all of this was made even more clear during the playoffs.

Not sure what site or what roster you did to do your "math" but I'm pretty sure you're misrepresenting the situation (for starters, counting draft picks the Spurs currently have 17 players on their roster and the Heat have 16, not sure if you accounted for that but it doesn't look like it). I only considered players not likely to be on next season roster (e.g. no T-Mac for Spurs or Juwan Howard for the Heat). But I think it's pretty clear there's something off about your numbers. The Spurs have several important players in their early to mid 20s (Joseph, Leonard are the best examples). Heat players of similar age...Cole. That's it.

Chalmers is 27; I think we already know pretty much about how good he'll be. I explained why I don't consider Oden to be a rising young talent. Ennis is unsigned and no guarantee to make the roster, just a guy who impressed in summer league; if we consider him for the Heat then we would have to consider Deshaun Thomas for the Spurs, and he's two years younger. That would skew things more in the Spurs' favor. Same with Kabongo (unsigned, undrafted FA) and Jean-Charles (Spurs' first-round pick, also two years younger).

The fact that you're excited about Dexter Pittman knocking somebody out shows your moral values are seriously skewed. Ultimately, basketball is a game; a very high-stakes competition that is designed to get fans to cheer for something more than themselves, yes, but not ever worth risking harm to anyone else for. I never said you said anything bad about George or Hibbert, but I was mentioning that they were players on the rise.

Time does not give you the chance to get younger players. The Heat have no cap space for legitimately talented younger players unless they break up the big three. The only way they could get it otherwise is on rookie deals through the draft, and since they have low picks that they trade away that won't happen either.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but are you retarded or did your mother seriously not teach you how to read? You are completely misrepresenting everything I said. I can only assume your attention span is not long enough for you to finish reading my sentences.

-I said Durant is the greatest SF in the game NOT NAMED LEBRON JAMES, which I don't think anyone will argue.
-I said Green is a better player than any of the Heat shooters. I said Ray Allen was a better shooter but a much worse defender at his age, who can argue that? Remember, I am a Celtics fan; I've seen Ray Allen hit many more clutch shots for us than he's ever hit for you. I have the utmost respect for his pure shooting and I would never say Green is a better shooter. But to say Green is a better overall player because of his superior defensive abilities is different.

dis opinion

overall, turtle is actually right

who cares about added ages, its about the PLAYERS

Yes, Duncan Parker and Ginobili are old, BUT they have a new generation of players including Leonard, Green, and other players overseas.

Myke Kabongo isn't nearly as good. And I watched UT games. Yes, he could learn but I don't think he's anything special

Thunder is really young. Lamb, Adams, PJ3, even Westbrook Durant and Ibaka are young. WHO will be deeper in lets say, 2-3 seasons? imo the Thunder, because by then, the young players i mentioned will eventually be starting/role playing for the Thunder while Westbrook and Durant will be in their prime. While Wade's knees will just deteriorate (age+the way his knees are now) and Bosh may not even be as good player as of now. Also, may i say Lebron could not be in his prime anymore? Because by then he'll HAVE to carry the Heat like he did with the Cavaliers.

If you wanna go into adding stuff up then we could add up young talent

Oden is a bust, so I'm not counting him. Heat have: 2
Thunder: 4
Spurs: 3

So those are facts

btw, +1 to turtle and cyclone

also, before you reply Fruity Cakes, it may be worth while to actually look up teams rosters/age and their stats; just saying

>fruity cakes "cold hard facts"