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So in a managerial game you don't see how bad is to have luck > skill?

We all like to compare BB to real world (NBA). At least that's what BB is trying to emulate, right? So let's see...

In NBA, not every 1st pick pans out. Sometimes people draft Kwambe Browns and sometimes Lebron James'.

Sometimes 1st pick doesn't work out (Greg Oden). Ironically, 2nd pick after Greg Oden was Kevin Durant. Did luck have something to do with it? Of course it did.

Sometimes drafts are bad overall like this year's draft (1st pick Anthony Bennet).

So all said and done, I don't see how BB draft is that much different from real life. Luck is always present in real life and we accept it. But how can't we accept luck in managerial game? BB is supposed to mimic RL whenever possible, so I really don't see why some are complaining.

This makes no sense at all.

"Tanking for Wiggins" means you get a star player that will contribute immediately on the highest level of competition - tanking for a draft pick in the BB world will give you (in the ABSOLUTE BEST CASE!) a 15yo LeBron James - that will hold your team back for multiple seasons if you want to train him properly. You might end up with Dajuan Wagner, Eddie Griffin or other types of bust players.

BB is not the NBA! If you want to draw real life comparisons considering league structure and youth development you should take a look at european pro sports with multiple levels of competition and vertical movement between those levels (Football/Soccer whatever suits you best).

and it LOSE not loose! ;)

Isn't the flaw really that someone wants to pay 2,6 million for a rookie?

What success is there in training a nice draftee? The point of the game is to win games right?
Buying a top prospect for loads of cash and spending one of your two training spots on that player for multiple seasons... The alternative cost for that investment is huge, don't you think?

Yeah yeah but that's also the case why it's so damn hard to build a flawless game and even a draft system. The game is built around trying to win games, hence the whole league system, and when people then start trying to do other things this leads to "strange" decisions which will have an effect on other managers as we're playing an mmo. I still believe that the fact that someone wants to pay excessive amounts of cash for a rookie is a bigger problem than the actual draft system.

nope sorry - Do not agree with changing the draft.

Fact - There are many users out there who know how to scout wisely, and draft wisely, such that they maximise their chances in the draft - Therefore, the draft is not flawed from this perspective. If user's can successfully do this, then you can to.

Fact - In real life, the draft will not always produce ATG players, as other user's have said, not all draft's are equal, sometimes in a draft, the top 10 will all be better players than the following year's number 1 pick.

Fact - Yes there is an element of luck in the draft. As others have said Greg Oden - poor old Portland have lost years and millions of dollars by not only drafting this injury prone guy, but then keeping him. A few seasons ago Cleveland didn't have the worst record, yet they got the number 1 pick again. And they could have traded that for lots of good players (eg: Sold him for $2.6m) - Did they deserve it? NO! Bobcats deserved it (at the time) - but luck played a part. As does the draft in BB.

So im sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the current draft system.

Agreed. Not even fully trained NT players go for that price unless they're an awesome small forward or something...

When we try to compare the NBA with BB commit a gross error of superficiality ..

In the NBA we talk about 30 teams who compete all the best players from around the world and can be included in their list any player accepts a candidate ..
All the teams in their list have had Lebron James, Greg Oden, etc. .. etc. .. but only one out of 30 could choose .. and there came into play the "ability" to pick him up ..

In BB, however, you can not choose between the best players in the world .. but only by a random list given to you without any possibility that your skills or your investment may intervene ..

While the NBA equity is given by the fact that they can choose between all the players and build the skill lies in the ability to have a choice of high or low, etc. .. BB in this basic fairness is not there .. and skills is then put even more into the background ..

And then say that in a long time the thing is balancing alone is an excuse .. There are thousands of sets .. how long it takes to be balanced? thousands of seasons?

Sorry for my english ..

nope sorry - Do not agree with changing the draft.

So im sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the current draft system.

FACT is that a draft system can only work in a closed environment, where you need to balance the economic disparity to provide a somewhat fair distribution of talent. As soon as you find yourself in a league system like in european sports a draft becomes useless.

Just think about that: a team is demoted, wins the lottery and picks a nice player - BOOM sold for 2,6 million. Do you think the demoted team will have problems to win the title in the lower division? Where is the fairness in this system?

With a seven digit amount you can buy two or three TOP players, thats a huge game changer and makes much more sense than training that 18yo retardo draftee you just got. Plus it fucks up the chances of your fellow leaguemates to compete themselves - so one little player suddenly ruins the experience of many.

The draft system like it is now, is totally wrong and something should be done about it. Imo a youth academy where teams spend money on the development of players they got there AND where teammanagers can decide what type of player they get, would make much more sense and fun.

Spend like 0-40.000 a week and at the beginning of each season you get to pick one player you want from your youth roster - ages 18-21 with skills that MATCH the current level of players we see at this age span.