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257780.26 in reply to 257780.23
Date: 4/26/2014 12:25:14 PM
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the rules have been set, so i'm not really doing anything constructive, but why not use national ranking as your criteria (after two teams making league finals)? this gets around all sorts of problems (late start, competitive vs. noncompetitive leagues, paying attention to the Cup vs. league games). so, after the first 160 teams advance, then simply go in order of national ranking to promote.

of course, this idea is only as good as the value of the statistical effort to produce a national ranking.

i know there are skeptics, but i have found this stat to be usefully reliable.



National ranking...

Okay, so new manager busts A, pulls some great coaching moves, does a great job... but loses tiebreaker, because he's tied with Manager X who's been playing buzzerbeater since season 6 and has a higher national ranking due to his experience.

That doesn't seem fair to me, what about you?

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257780.27 in reply to 257780.12
Date: 4/26/2014 12:54:32 PM
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Thanks for clarification.

How about season after that?
64 teams will promote from III to II. Logic will be same, I assume.

But question is.....is there going to be different logic for demotion from III division next season? Asking this because there is need for extra 32 teams in III division. And quickly there are two possibilities:
1) those 32 will be taken from div IV so that demotion from div III is normal
2) those 32 will not be demoted from div III and promotion from IV is normal

I think this should be informed also....impact for season after that is then quite minimal, but I think same logic will be then used also for those extra "12" promotions.....

PS. My own preference would be option 1 .... more fair for teams who are now in extremely competitive league....

PPS. How teams will be put in D.IV next season? If I remember correctly, it has been said that all will be playing agaist human managers, so some kind of compression is needed....What is this compression algorithm?


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257780.28 in reply to 257780.25
Date: 4/26/2014 1:22:32 PM
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Check out my team . . . got knocked out in the Cup in the first round . . . I suppose I'm doing alright. But according to the national rank, I'd be . . . behind a team that's . . . still in the Cup. I. . . can make a convincing case that nine other managers in my league would deserve promotion based on what they've done . . .


so i guess you agree with me.

i'm not going to fall on my sword over this, because from my perspective the rules don't matter that much but for those who are interested in moving up, important decisions hinge on what is decided. i thought national ranking would be simple and preferable to the byzantine rules that have been announced, but your note and the one that followed showed that my "simple" solution in reality hides a byzantine and unknown calculation. if i were interested in advancing this season, the clarity provided by BB-Marin, though complicated, is much more preferable than trying to figure out what goes into national ranking and using that as a guide to constructing a team or reaching a goal.

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257780.29 in reply to 257780.27
Date: 4/26/2014 5:47:07 PM
Surry Hills Peeps
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Do we all really NEED this information to play the game?

There is a point where over thinking and distraction start to take over I think. Surely if you have developed a strategy and have invested in it with conviction, then most of these questions that are being asked for absolute clarification are really not so relevant?

If your strategy is to buy up and dominate... then do that, if you do actually dominate, then no problems, you will promote (what does it matter who promotes with you?). The set of variables that YOU impose on yourself for this strategy are numerous; What if others in my league apply the same strategy and it gets ultra competitive/ expensive? Do I change strategy? Oh no, I haven't invested in the Arena, wasted heaps on dubious aged talent, missed out on time training trainees, slipped in the rankings, knocked out of the Cup, getting a decent draft pick now but haven't invested in any points to find a decent pick....the list goes on.

If you were tanking to get a better pick, this is simple, you are not effected in any way by promotion issues.

And then there are multiple other mixed strategies out there no doubt.

The way I look at it, we are supposed to be experienced managers in a very competitive new country, economies of scale apply. You could by chance, find yourself in a ultra competitive league or not, if your plan was to buy up some aged talent and compete and find yourself in the ultra competitive situation (like me, the most teams left in the Cup... and all from my conference!) then you might need to re evaluate.

I understand that some people are seeking just simple clarification on some issues/topics, but when it comes to responses containing sentiment that it is critical information or inferences that it will decay the game into anarchy... take a chill pill and just play the GAME

PS: I has been announced already that the remaining teams in Div IV will be re sorted to keep all the human managers in the same leagues as the promotions happen.

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257780.30 in reply to 257780.29
Date: 4/26/2014 7:20:00 PM
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Do we all really NEED this information to play the game?

take a chill pill and just play the GAME


Some of us think that they "need" or they can better see all possible options based on that information. I personally think that requested information might impact for my strategies in the end of this season and also for next season, just as you said to re-evaluate strategy. If you do not "need" that information and you do not enjoy "over thinking", it is your choice. You should also understand that some of us enjoy this game differently and maybe they don't enjoy advice from novice managers without any proof of success - no offense (maybe I'll take some other pills now ;).

Personally I think that rules should be clear from day 1 when Utopia started. That way no-one could say that they didn't know. So no harm to be precise in the rules either.

If you felt that my original post was rude, sorry for that. As you can see, English is not my native language so it is not so fluent and probably I cannot express myself with tone I would like to.


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257780.31 in reply to 257780.30
Date: 4/27/2014 11:30:34 PM
Surry Hills Peeps
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Firstly, I am sorry if you thought my inference was that you were being rude, I didn't think that at all. I am always conscious that many on this site do not have English as their native language. I also don't take any offense to shots at my intelligence through parallels to my length of tenure or trophies in this game as measurement

My point was around how large the statements are about the vitality of the information. I understand the intention to have the rules and guidelines defined so all can work around them, however; we are all it the same boat when you consider the answers given, the game won't fall into anarchy because some of the finer details are in flux about promotion.

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257780.32 in reply to 257780.31
Date: 4/28/2014 5:41:14 PM
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Well, according to all this, my last place team of homegrown Utopians probably won't promote.
Shoot.

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257780.33 in reply to 257780.32
Date: 4/28/2014 8:34:12 PM
Koopasaurus
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The tortoise did beat the hare in the end. Just remember the famous BB words. That BB is a marathon, not a race.

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257780.35 in reply to 257780.34
Date: 4/29/2014 6:20:52 AM
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The tortoise did beat the hare in the end. Just remember the famous BB words. That BB is a marathon, not a race.


That said, a marathon is also a race.

And the one who wins in the end is often part of the few men leading the race since the beginning

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