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Yes it just so happens that the last 2 users who are tanking and giving (bad-in my opinion) advice to others are GMs. GMs being like 30-40 this seems to be a quite high percentage compared to the average user, hence the focus.

And what do we repeat over and over ?

They have said several times they like the challenge, told off other managers for suggesting making the game easier in some aspects. Manon in particular always claimed that he liked to explore new roads. That the complexity of the game is good. How does tanking fit with the narrative?

The issue I have is about hypocrisy, clearly. Some people who have told us that they enjoy the challenge in the game and are here explaining to younger managers what they should do, but do they apply those suggestions to themselves? No, they tank to cash money and bag a great trainee. Perhaps we should make a thread about the logic behind tanking and how good it is for BuzzeBeater? Not to mention all the challenges you have while doing it.

Of course, I would say the same thing of Mike Franks or myself if we decided to blatantly tank to get money when rebuilding. I don't think that's ever going to happen. I would cower in shame, since I've also said repeatedly that I like the challenge and the difficulty level of the game.

Note that I was one of those defending Misagh's strategy when he won B3 the second time, thinking that it was perfectly legitimate. I just think that if you criticise that time of behaviour, then you need to be coherent and avoid blatantly tanking (which is different than rebuilding), if you say you like the challenge, you need to be coherent and avoid just banking in order to raise millions from gates and player sales.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/17/2015 7:06:35 AM

Which GM reinstated my comment about geriatrics? Just curious...

I deleted it because it was not appropriate and it was fairly personal, yet someone had the good idea to go and reinstate it. I had to delete it again myself. Well done.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/17/2015 7:14:59 AM

Now, we are totally off-topic, mainly my fault, so you can answer if you wish, but I'm stopping here

good call and thank you

So for those interested tonight i won a game using Outside Box n 1 defense and a Outside Isolation offense.

Opposition had played Patient most of season, so i banked on that again and the OI offense was to counter the fact that he had poor outside players on his roster.

His starting 5 have a salary about $80k more than mine. And it was an away game, but i probably had higher enthusiasm, but still it was a nice win using non-standard tactics.

my last two games i have beaten the ladder leaders in my league. They shot a combined 49 from 167, 29% FG%

Defense being the key obviously.

I left a lot info in my last reply lol.. I think thats as about as indept we are going to see until someone else tinkers with it more ..I have played it few times, I think I left the part some could look at to figure it.. I don't have the defensive specialist to make it work like it should. Because theres non to work with, to do so.

yes the game can be close but you need 1-~2 all defensive specialist to do so.. and a balance defensive team all around.. Some tactic are dominated all the way for a team for example LI.. you need a cookie cutter, . I feel Box-1 is the same.

I feel box-1 is a team culture tactic. a cookie cutter tactic build like LI

Fair enough. As I said for Misagh when there was much complaining about him tanking in order to win the B3, I think it's very legitimate to tank for whatever reason, as long as people are coherent.

Last message offtopic from me as well.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/17/2015 2:59:15 PM

What's with so many GMs tanking?

We all know the answer to that. Training is so screwed up that it is almost impossible to play to win and train at the same time.
Evidence:

If you want to know why im tanking ill tell you though. Im totally rebuilding my team with brand new trainees that im building from scratch. And there is no place for a team that does just that in the top league.

There couldn’t be a clearer demonstration than that of how screwed up training is.


By the way:

Some people who have told us that they enjoy the challenge in the game and are here explaining to younger managers what they should do, but do they apply those suggestions to themselves?

No, they are in high divisions and think only of high divisions, just like the guy who said this: “A lower potential player is almost never a better choice, under any circumstance, except if you don't have money upfront” is thinking only of high divisions. In his zeal to bad-mouth the GM's someone sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

I promised not to post off topic again but you're tempting. I gave reasons, as to why given a set of skills, I believe it is often the superior choice to have a higher potential player even if you're in D5. It has to do with the economy and the profit you can make when you don't need the player anymore or when he becomes too expensive for your league level. This game is mostly an economy balancing exercise. This clearly is regulated by how the market prices potential, at some point potential may cost too much, but in a shrinking market pool potential is a scarce resource which is becoming rarer as old players are retiring.

Training, that horrible thing you despise so much, increases the value of your assets. The smart choice is to invest in what guarantees you the biggest return and/or flexibility. We can make a study of the players under 25 currently being sold and see if there is a correlation in net profit (sale price-salaries-trainer cost-purchase price) per penny invested and potential. Since the cost of training is relatively fixed having an asset going from 1 million to 2 million value is generally more valuable than having one going from 200k to 400k. Keep in mind that there were only 2 other investment opportunities in the game, building the arena and daytrading, the former is not available to everyone and the latter was effectively killed by the recent changes.

Coming back to the topic, do you have any views on tactics? It can't be that Mr. Glass is the only one staying on topic here.

Shall we mention and discuss that Marin in one of his posts has acknowledged that inside tactics are still too good and that OD is probably overpowered?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/17/2015 6:24:42 PM

I have already don't that before.. sb and 3-2 one and in a championship.