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From: Fresh24
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279015.26 in reply to 279015.25
Date: 5/28/2016 11:31:31 AM
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Naismith
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A question for all those running, what would your recommendation be on what to turn a player like this into for the NT?

Age: 19
Height: 6'8" / 203 cm
Potential: MVP

Jump Shot: mediocre Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: strong Handling: average
Driving: mediocre Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: respectable
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: awful
Stamina: mediocre Free Throw: mediocre

Experience: atrocious TSP: 57 (37 + 20)

From: Fwinns

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Date: 5/28/2016 11:52:39 AM
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He's tall so he would probably be better as a big, but inept in rebounding and awful in blocking are quite low...
I would say guard training for the first 2 seasons (Pa/Ha/Dr/JS), then switch to inside training, ID at first then Rb/IS/Sb with emphasis on rebounding (like 3 weeks Rb / 2 weeks IS / 1 week SB). In the end he should be a good PF/Inside SF depending on how fast he gains outside skills, but it will take time. With that kind of plan he won't make it to U21 for sure, but could make it to the NT when he reaches 29-30yo (sooner or later depending on the other players).

PS: training outside skills first to take advantage of the youth training speed, then inside to take advantage of his height favoring inside skills training. Keeping Rebounding low at first also helps with the elastic effect, I wouldn't be surprised if he had 1/2 pops in Rb while training outside skills.

PS2: also switch to FT/Stamina from time to time (weird weeks without 48min) when he reaches 25-26yo could also help, it helps quite a bit in close games!

Last edited by Fwinns at 5/28/2016 11:58:24 AM

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Date: 5/28/2016 12:30:02 PM
Stavanger Titans
III.6
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Yes, Fwinn is right. With his size he could be and Inside-SF or ar PF. He has really nice staring skills.

My suggetions:

1on1 til the player reach 11 in handling or drive
After that OD till the target value (SF 15-16, PF 12)
Next Range til 10-12 (PF) or 13-14 (SF)
Next Passing til at least 10
Next JS til at least 11 (best case JS=JR)

Than Inside skills in the following order

ID, Blocking, IS, Reb

In the season breaks and during ASG-Week: FW til 10-12 and stamina and voila you are ready. I won´t guess an age when he is ready, but something between 25 and 27.

But for the different position (SF or PF) we have to discuss in detail .. it depends also what you have in mind.

Hell Ya - We are coming from the North to conquer your arena ...
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279015.30 in reply to 279015.29
Date: 5/28/2016 12:58:16 PM
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Thanks for the kind words. But i guess i have nor really a chance. As Fwinn said: he has his own vote to give .. i am not. But if somebody needs more assistance just ask - if NT coach or not, i am eager to help.

But that doesn't mean that i don't want the job

Hell Ya - We are coming from the North to conquer your arena ...
From: Fwinns

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Date: 5/28/2016 1:07:21 PM
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I think it's way closer than you think ;) I wouldn't be surprised if you were elected

Last edited by Fwinns at 5/28/2016 1:07:29 PM

From: Fresh24

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Date: 5/28/2016 9:50:08 PM
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Naismith
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Thank you both for the great responses, this will be very close. I hope whoever does gets the position realizes there is a lot of work ahead for the NT, particularly with what looks like a very empty cupboard of young talent for the upcoming next few seasons.

From: Fwinns

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Date: 5/28/2016 10:12:00 PM
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Yeah after the election bb-mail boxes are going to explode =)

From: Coach MK

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279015.34 in reply to 279015.33
Date: 5/29/2016 2:10:59 AM
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I hope the people standing patiently behind the new coach, who ever it will be. Especially if the team doesn't win every game. I don't know how the actual players looks looks like, but from the age structure it looks like the team already has problems with the next generation. Taking over this team is a long term project and it problems won't be solved in one or two seasons. So patients is a virtue and results from the new era won't be visible on a short term. That's the reason why candidate for a long term project.

Hell Ya - We are coming from the North to conquer your arena ...
From: Fwinns

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Date: 5/29/2016 10:43:05 AM
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There are a few 27-28yo that are already good enough to be on the NT, the major problem is that there are maybe 10-15 players really NT worthy, not 30-40 like in bigger nations, so we're highly dependent on a few key players and a "bad" GS on one of these players can compromise games. Even between these 10-15 players there are obvious starters and bench players, it's not 15 potential starters.
So yeah it's not an easy job and with maybe 10 active leagues, that means only ~ 10 NT potential players each season, and of course only a few of these 10 players will get proper training. We don't really have a backup plan, we rely heavily on the managers and their willingness to train a player for 10 seasons. It's even harder when the player gets transferred overseas, you tend to be sloppier when it's not a player from your own country (when he's not bought for resale!).

Last edited by Fwinns at 5/29/2016 10:43:33 AM

From: Coach MK

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Date: 5/29/2016 11:32:16 AM
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So ... it is challenging .... but I love such situations. Usually you can work with that amount of people. BUT .. the agreement with your work will go down if the community think the team should be getting better results. and so they vote you work negative.

With players getting sold to foreign countries, I have mixed experience. It could happen (and it actually happened) that the player don´t get training or is always in bad game shape. But I know also managers from different countries where everything works really good - steady progress and good GS.
I Guess the times of trading players around is kind of gone, of course you can always have exceptions. But I made the experience of good training if you are keeping contact with the managers. And this is the core business of a NT coach - especially if the nation ist not a big major country

Hell Ya - We are coming from the North to conquer your arena ...
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