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I do agree with your point, but not knowing is the same as not having chances

Listen the thing is, the results show it, there is no worry that you should have regarding micronations, nobody is abusing the ''easier'' system, relax and don't worry too much about them, if it would be easy for them to win B3 or have more possibility regarding international competitions I would understand but right now they are innofensive

what about making teams' TV revenue and merchandising being linked to the NT performances?
i mean, not exclusively, but NT performances having a considerable weight on the TV and merchandising formulas.

It's already the case for the merchandising, a NT player from France (currently 5th) gives more merchandising than a player from Belgium (#20) for example ;)

So it's true that a player from a micronation will have more chance to play in NT than a player from a big country but he will give less money.

The difference in merchandise is around 0.1% or anyway minimal, I don't remember the exact figure, per position in the standings, not as much as you're saying. You know this very well, and I don't understand why you continue to use it as an argument.

If it's not about B3/BBM what is the interest of this thread? I mean, you can change the worldwide economy in all the ways you want that will change nothing for the italian users inside Italy, they are currently all in the same conditions and changing the economy won't help them lol.

It's true, but it's frustrating to compete in a market where users from micro-countries are printing money and can steal players from users in countries that earn money through hard work.

So yes it's all about B3 and BBM (in BBM tier 1 the balance between the biggest countries and the other ones is even more in favour of the biggest ones, China, Poland and Spain have almost won everything) and as Coach sergio demonstrates to you the italian teams are not disadvantaged compared to teams from micronations. Teams from Spain, Poland or China are there to prove it. The fact is that currently the italian managers are less good, and that has nothing to see with the economy.

Coach Sergio hasn't really proven anything. I don't think it's a matter of Italian users not being skilled; actually, the fact that Italian users are more skilled works against them. For instance, you in Belgium or Tuoki in Finland can focus on the B3 because you can win easily in the league and cup, while in Italy, it's much more challenging. Put someone like John Peterson in a micronation, and he would probably have some B3 trophies in his showcase.

The post Is about worldwise economy and still you talking about BBB chance.....

If it's not about B3/BBM what is the interest of this thread? I mean, you can change the worldwide economy in all the ways you want that will change nothing for the italian users inside Italy, they are currently all in the same conditions and changing the economy won't help them lol.

So yes it's all about B3 and BBM (in BBM tier 1 the balance between the biggest countries and the other ones is even more in favour of the biggest ones, China, Poland and Spain have almost won everything) and as Coach sergio demonstrates to you the italian teams are not disadvantaged compared to teams from micronations. Teams from Spain, Poland or China are there to prove it. The fact is that currently the italian managers are less good, and that has nothing to see with the economy.

Joe

Finally someone saying the truth here!!

Also, Italian cuisine is overrated (much worse than Spanish cuisine), Spanish women are more attractive than Italians and our language is much nicer.

I provided the stats to back up my claims and disprove yours.

The only argument you have so far is your opinion, also what is this arrogance, you put hard work to buy players and they steal your players?

Who are you referring to? Are they peasants and you are a noble? Are the users from micronations "inferior" compared to you my italian friend?

Are micronations "stealing" your players?
Teng Guangsong(49458581)

161 TSP, one of the best players in the game, ALL the bids were made by italian, chinese, hong kong, romania.
This player was sold for 7.5M, I think if micronations were printing money as you say they would bid for this player, don't you think so?

Are micronations "stealing" your players?
Teng Guangsong(49458581)

161 TSP, one of the best players in the game, ALL the bids were made by italian, chinese, hong kong, romania.
This player was sold for 7.5M, I think if micronations were printing money as you say they would bid for this player, don't you think so?

Your assumption is that big nations have the richest teams so this proves that teams from micronations don't make that much money. You can be right, but there is another hypothesis to explain this: micronations are not competitive, so team owners don\t need much to get to the top, thus they just do the basics and ending up not lasting much in the game due to lack of motivation, so that's why we very rarely see micronation teams fighting for the best players in the market.
I'm living in Africa now and very much tempted to let my French team go and check myself this hypothesis. Sincerely, I would love living la dolce vita of getting into division I easily and collect division I money without much effort. For me it would feel like Scrooge McDuck (and I will probably name my team like this after that)

what about making teams' TV revenue and merchandising being linked to the NT performances?
i mean, not exclusively, but NT performances having a considerable weight on the TV and merchandising formulas.

It's already the case for the merchandising, a NT player from France (currently 5th) gives more merchandising than a player from Belgium (#20) for example ;)

So it's true that a player from a micronation will have more chance to play in NT than a player from a big country but he will give less money.

You mean that a player which gets minutes playing for his NT gives a certain boost to his team's merchandise.
I meant that the performance of a NT could/should reflect in the merchandise/TV revenue for every team from that nation.

Here I am, I took some time for this, so I hope you will read me calmly.

We are deviating from the focus I wanted to concentrate on, especially the concept of micronations. Let's look at some data:

- Is Finland considered a micronation on BB? There are 177 users, with half of Series III filled with bots. In your opinion, does tanking in this Nation have more or fewer advantages compared to nations with 500+ users?
I want to emphasize that I do not approve of the tanking playstyle, but many teams manage to earn millions this way and then bring it to the market.

- Is Belgium considered a micronation on BB? There are 160 users, with much of Series III filled with bots. As Finland, a skilled user can stay in Division II at the minimum salary and earn a lot of money from arenas and player statistics.

Similar situations exist for Portugal, England, Bulgaria, Sweden, Canada, Romania, and many others.

B3 Topic (current season):

- Out of the 177 Finnish users, only 2 participate in B3, Hupipalloilijat for winning everything (once again) and Riksun koripallot maybe for finishing second in the final (I think?).
- Out of the 160 Belgian users, 4 are participating in B3. Some because they won the championship, some won the cup, but certainly, there are "extra" participations due to rankings and victories in B3.

Doing the same calculation for other Nations, it can be seen that between Belgium, Portugal, England, Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Sweden, and Canada, we have 20 participants in B3 out of 1176 users, while among Italy, Spain, Poland, and France, we have 13 participants out of 4110.

Now, honestly, do you think this is fair?

We all know how much B3 revenues matter (and I think this can also apply to BBM for various levels), and this seems like something that needs to be addressed in some way.

Perhaps connecting arena revenues and statistics to national team results is not correct (it was just my attempt to fuel a dialogue), but I believe there is something to improve in this regard to allow for a more equitable game.

One idea could be linking B3 participations to the percentage of active users in Series III, for example:

1) +80% active users, those reaching the conference finals have access to B3 + cup winner
2) 50%/79% only finalists will access B3
3) <50% only the league winner
(these percentages are provided as random examples)

The same approach could be taken with merchandise revenues for statistics and arenas.

In short, there are several possibilities if the problem is recognized.

Thank you, and I look forward to some opinions on this.

BR,
Cecio