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So much depends on the taxes for next season. Most have adjusted to the current tax and the transfer market will simply go up or down on the money flow teams have.

A couple of things I think are worth a mention.

After ASW when most countries (most) have finished their National Cup.. who needs to improve or deepen their roster?

When no-one has any money - why even bother to search on the transfer market?

If taxes in the top division go down then prices will naturally rise.... bonuses for the respective league winners will no doubt find their way to the market (or arena depending on next seasons tax levels)

Also - slower training speeds.... i am wondering why people dont factor this into their purchases? The top players in the game at the moment are going to remain the top players if training speeds remain or slow further. The big purchases IMO are always justified because I just cant see the supply of really top players being able to satisfy the demand of the really top teams if the BB Manager base continues to expand.

I think you're underestimating the fact that the supply of triple prolifics is now much bigger than at the end of last season.

That's possible, though supply of this particular range of players has seemed to go down this season, if anything.

Your premise is comparable to someone complaining last season that triple proficients had collapsed in value from two seasons ago (the analogy isn't full because two seasons ago there was a lot less money around than last season, but you see what I mean).

These weren't particularly triple prolific, but players that had at least triple prolific. It was a snapshot of the best big men on the TL.

I'm not complaining either as deflation/inflation have very little effect on my plans (if im selling, it's cause I'll also be buying).

As of the time i wrote this post, there were five at-least-triple-prolific big men on the market. The cheapest one was 2.56 million.

I agree, this is a difficult problem and I think the BBs took necessary actions last off-season to deal with the inflation problem. However, inflation and deflation will be a constant and long-term issue, so you might as well put a system in place to deal with it.

1) What should be the role of the BB team in the economy? Is it our job to prevent inflation and deflation? Is it our job to allow both, but keep them within certain bounds? Is it our job simply to keep competitive balance, but to ignore market fluctuations as long as that balance is not threatened?

Well, in short yet. The problem is that if you have long-term inflation or deflation of player values (to any large extent), it makes fixed-price elements in the game either too expensive or too cheap. For example, if you can sell a player for $1M in one season and add to your arena with the proceeds and a few seasons later, you can sell the same type player for $2.5M then add to your arena, its like the cost of the arenas went down by 60%.

The same thing happens with massive deflation. For example, when HT had its deflation cycle a few seasons back, excellent coaches just disappeared.

Same thing would happen with BB, if you have massive inflation, everybody would buy the most expensive coaches, max scouting and monster arenas etc. Long-term deflation, the reverse. And then those decision elements of the game disappear or become trivial.

2) Under what circumstances should we act without much prior notice? For that matter, how much notice is appropriate typically for different changes?

Honestly, I would be doing it constantly. I would monitor the cash and wealth of the teams in various divisions and increase revenues accordingly. Merchandise Revenues already seems to have some randomness to them...what if they went down by $1k for everybody in div 2 for a week if div 2 teams seems to have a huge surplus or excessive cash flow etc. And the reverse. Over time, I think small adjustments every week are much more equitable then dramatic changes every off-season or twice a season. And if overall, the same about of money was distributed between all the teams, then you wouldn't have much change in the overall player market.

I'm sure people would argue that this adds a level of uncertainty, but its far less than finding out that your division is going to have a 25% tax next season or 50% annual deflation or whatever, don't you think?

3) How important is it to keep a constant set of rules? There is always a tradeoff between an ability to solve problems and an ability to keep the ruleset constant and let teams make long-term plans.

Part of being a good manager is dealing with a little uncertainty and overcoming it. Isn't that the point of having injures in a game like this?

I think everybody should expect the rules to change over time...I think we all want to see the game evolve. Its more a matter that large changes create a lot of upheaval and unhappiness.


Steve

Honestly, I hope that when Paulson needs a new job, BB does NOT hire him to tinker with the BB economy...

And that player in particular, who was 13/11/13, sold for only 2.8m. It's possible that's closer to 1/3 then 1/2 of the value from last season.

That's down a good amount from even 2-3 weeks ago. I guess jbmcrock is right, earlier this season prices were still being propped up a few that had some money left. Maybe prices are starting to bottom out.

I personally like the changes. I think their good for everyone. The problem I'm seeing is that it was nothing one day.. Then BAM everything here the next day.

You have to expect it to take a season or 2 for everything to slow down and come back to normal. It's just like the stock markets. Everyone is in panic mode thus creating sellers. The buyers can't make enough money to buy fast enough with the new changes.

Therefor the prices have to come down so the buyers can buy at the price they can afford.

Would have been nicer to see 10% tax this year 20 next and 30 the following would have created less dramatic effect but too late now

I say you that the market is not only for the major team,but also for the weaker team which want to play better...and in this kind of market prices aren't dropped down,rather they are equal or higher for players of the medium rank(with the cost of 400-500k).There is a beatiful discussion in the italian BB forum about market dynamics,I reccomend you to see it :D

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/10/2008 4:58:39 AM

Well ive watched the markets (both financial and BB!) these past couple of weeks and spotted more cheating than normal...

I traded one guy and bought another in the 1mil and under bracket which I havent studied for a while. For me a large % of the drop is on players that are listed at quiet times. Living in Japan I can be online when there are less than 100 people online (30 during really slow periods) now at present there arent that many players listed fullstop during quiet times but for Free Agents whose deadline is random this is where there are some better deals to be had.

Also you have to understand that there are many newer managers who can be mislead when it comes to valuations. They may overvalue certain skills compared to more experienced managers and unless they have followed the forums to broaden their knowledge beyond what the rules tell you we will always look and question certain transfers that are made.

Having participated in most threads concerning the economic situation within BB I can accept the inflationary/deflationary stages we will and are going through and the only real variable I can see that needs to be watched is the price of arena expansion vs player prices. If we continue the current trend then I can see larger arenas and in time more money to then circulate on the TL. I think though this will however be a slow and gradual process.

Also you have to understand that there are many newer managers who can be mislead when it comes to valuations. They may overvalue certain skills compared to more experienced managers and unless they have followed the forums to broaden their knowledge beyond what the rules tell you we will always look and question certain transfers that are made.

Having participated in most threads concerning the economic situation within BB I can accept the inflationary/deflationary stages we will and are going through and the only real variable I can see that needs to be watched is the price of arena expansion vs player prices. If we continue the current trend then I can see larger arenas and in time more money to then circulate on the TL. I think though this will however be a slow and gradual process.

I'm quite satisfied about the decision of BBs to reduce the excess of money in the market,the problem is that,since there are enourmous difference between the competivity of different series in different countries,players who a team in a certain country doesn't make difference and a user want to pay less money,in other countries make a strong difference,so some users distort the market who could have a certain kind of objective values...if also you consider what you have said "They may overvalue certain skills compared to more experienced managers" and i agree,the result is that if brianjames talk about a deflationary stages for the great mass of the market,i don't agree with him

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 10/10/2008 5:43:30 AM

what is there not to agree about..

anyone that you can pick up for under 100k shouldnt really be making ANYONES roster in 1 maximum 2 seasons. Why are players bought at this level? For scrimmages and to warm the bench. I know starting rosters are poor buy even so.. dont even bother to buy and just concentrate on what you have...

I picked up a Prominent JS Resp JR Small Forward with 3 other key respectables who was playing his entire career at C (hence 6 ratings) for under 800k. Now he is my worse player (excl. my 34yo scrub) so why did I buy him? I saw value and even if i keep for 14 weeks (unlikely) then for 920k total outlay I am confident I will never lose money on him infact if the taxes alter in my favour from next season he is a great reserve for my team - he allows me to sell a more valuable player that I am currently unable to train etc etc.

The point im making is there is a market for almost any kind of player (apart from the real dross) the inactivity maybe because of economics or because of peoples fears that the BB's will make another swift change which they dont want to risk.

Who knows, I might struggle to recoup $400k for my recent guy in a season from now... the deflation is evident everywhere its how you interpret and act upon it that counts. If you are struggling in the $400-500k pool then wait til you can fish higher up or take measures to make sure you can sooner (sell 2-3 trainees if you are training 5 to concentrate on just 3) serious players will/should always increase in value either in $$ or in trade in value that allows you to buy better equivalents.