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74907.26 in reply to 74907.18
Date: 2/25/2009 9:07:44 PM
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One of the things our current pair of coaches seems not to have done so well is to really increase community interest here in the US. We regularly get out-posted by 5-1 or worse from tiny countries like Brasil and Argentina even when Grubbs is busy blowing them off the court.


This is a really hard question. I don't really agree with Coco about the "black box" approach we've had... for those who've posted in the off-site forum, we've had the opportunity to view and debate rosters, tactics and enthusiasm settings for nearly every NT game. One of the complications is that these are necessarily sensitive topics, which precludes us from posting these things here. Even player ratings, which have been posted on the site, are best kept there to prevent other teams from scouting us too easily.

That said, there are things we can do to facilitate user interaction.
(1) Continue to make effort to post more in the BB forums (realizing many users won't come to the off-site forum) for things like game threads, current rosters and tracking lists, etc where we're not compromising the team.

(2) What is clear, I think, is that people get interested when their players are involved. Of course, with <18 players on the team this isn't a whole lot of teams. But, including the ~140 19+ players we're tracking, and the 209 on the preliminary list of 18 year olds, a lot more teams can be involved. So, I think we can do a better job communicating with teams training tracked players, perhaps by adding a web interface to the NT db for US managers to track their players, update ratings, and see how their players stack up. This actually gives two really useful outcomes: (a) managers can be more involved during the season in their NT-quality players, and see how they're progressing, what the player needs, etc, and (b) allows us to get mid-season ratings updates (normally we can only do this for non-team players between seasons otherwise we suffer and enthusiasm hit by adding/removing players).

(3) Fix up the off-site forum to make it a more useful resource for debating tactics, etc leading up to NT/U21 games. Of course, people still need to go to the forum. One way to do this is to make the discussion more globally useful. So, instead of just posting a roster/tactics as we do now, expand this to include some scouting of the opposing team, their recent tactics, etc, to make it a useful resource for users interested in getting a better handle on the process of choosing tactics. Hopefully this would be a draw for some of our newer managers who are still figuring out the ins and outs of choosing lineups/tactics for their league games.

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74907.28 in reply to 74907.27
Date: 2/25/2009 9:38:54 PM
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For what it's worth I am endorsing you. This means you will probably lose the election but it's clear you have a solid philosophy on where to take the team.

It is quite possible we will be working together next season.

Cheers,
~Dan

From: BBGM

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74907.29 in reply to 74907.27
Date: 2/26/2009 8:49:02 AM
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I am endorsing Cocololomomo as well b/c I know how good he is at game planing, and He has done a great job mentoring me. I believe he is great person to trust with developing our country's talent. I am not endorsing him out of a personal bias but b/c of his skill and knowledge when it comes to BB. Best of luck to everyone and Go USA.

Best Regards

BBGM

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74907.30 in reply to 74907.29
Date: 2/26/2009 7:37:17 PM
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I think you will see the general populace of a country become less and less interested in the NT or u21 as the # of teams increase. It is tough to hold the attention of people who arent involved in any way. I root for our teams, and offer encouragement, but what else can I offer? I would definitely let someone know if I pulled a potential NT player from the draft, but other than this, the teams from V, IV, and even III might find it hard to feel a sense of connection.

Go USA!

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74907.31 in reply to 74907.30
Date: 2/26/2009 10:11:55 PM
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I am endorsing CCLLMM. Not only is he in the NBBA, but he is very intelligent, and is one of the fastest game progressors we have ever seen. If I didn't know better, I'd think the Oaklandite was working for BB himself!

By the way, I also have a question for the candidates. On a scale of 1 to 50, how dependant will your future actions for the U21NT be on other teams' suggestions? In other words, how much will you make your decisions based on other teams?

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74907.33 in reply to 74907.31
Date: 2/26/2009 10:50:27 PM
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On a scale of 1 to 50, how dependant will your future actions for the U21NT be on other teams' suggestions?


First of all, who makes a scale from 1 to 50?

I don't think I can put a number on it anyway. There are times when roster selection, tactics, enthusiasm settings, etc are obvious. In those gray areas around the edges I think a good discussion/debate on these things can be very useful in making sure we look at the situation from all angles and make the right decision. But, I'm of course always going to listen to input from other managers when they're willing to give it.

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74907.34 in reply to 74907.32
Date: 2/26/2009 11:29:52 PM
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I should add that, if they were willing to volunteer help, I'd be very deferential to both brianjames and JP, given their experience in the role and their knowledge of the GE.


Since Brian is going to remain my consigliere, we're both going to work closely with whoever gets elected, this absolutely has to be a team effort.

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74907.35 in reply to 74907.1
Date: 2/27/2009 12:35:58 AM
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Whoever gets elected, when you open a thread about a game or something, can you please post a link to the game in question?

I often start clicking to the national team page and the games page and then the game in question, and half the time I get distracted by somet...

Ooh, shiny object!

Wait, what was I saying?

(But seriously, link to the game!)