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you have been in your countries top division every single season...wtf are you talking about dude you get the most money possible in the game and you dont even have to field a team to get it, how is this not an advantage?

Advantage for what? The B3, maybe, but how many teams are we talking here? The leagues, which most people play, are horrible in micro nations. Playing bot teams, game after game, season after season. How fun is that?

The money we earn gives us what? The gap between teams are huge when you start in the division below 20-30 seasons veteran teams. The number of seasons it takes to get even close to beating those teams are insurmountable. Yeah we are quickly able to earn more money than teams in bigger countries, but we don't get to play against those teams. We have to play against very established teams. There are not many real teams to compare with. So you can win against bots, and managers that start to tire. The same few teams, and mostly bots, over and over again. The same teams are dropping up and down every season. Almost no promotion/relegation. It is a stand still, and I don't care about advantage or not. I want competition, and welcome a move no matter what or how. But as I have said before, I would prefere to keep the national teams, because it is fun and one of the major driving factor for me personally. There is no animosity in my preference for having a national team.


Don't forget this group.

Scandinavia/Nordic countries
Finland
Sweden
Denmark
Norway
Iceland
Ranked from top to bottom in number of players.

This would be a group around 450 teams with present managers. I think this might work. But we have a friendly competitive history that would be nice to continue, so I vote for keeping the NTs separate.

@BBs/GMs/LAs: The forums in Norway (possibly somewhat in the other nordic countries) have become so quiet, that I suggest adding a note in the news area about this discussion and/or the national thread about the subject.

adjustments to the leagues income/ avaibility
Decrease the income etc.: This would just make the game not enjoyable for first league micronation teams.

I rethought this. I think it might be a good adjustment. maybe one of the most intuitive. If a nation like Macedonia, Iran or Austria stays like it is, the division income could be fixed, so that the first division managers get less TV income and merch. maybe like a second division in a bigger country. It would solve most of the economic problems.

It won't solve the lack of competition.
It also will harm their national teams a lot, because they can't train high end players in their own leagues.

This might work for countries with 40-60+ managers, but not for countries that have less players. there are a lot countries with less than 10 players.

I think the best solution might be the one I proposed (Option 4) combined with the option of decreased income for nations that don't want to merge.

But that is just my impression. I think the way to go from here is to figure out with each nation for its own which path they want to go

Last edited by jonte at 4/11/2016 6:10:28 PM

However, there are more than thirty users that can't do it. I love win. I love a struggled title but I keep pointing high. The point about the competitiveness is undeniable. But the national identity too.

Advantage for what? The B3, maybe, but how many teams are we talking here? The leagues, which most people play, are horrible in micro nations. Playing bot teams, game after game, season after season. How fun is that?

The money we earn gives us what? The gap between teams are huge when you start in the division below 20-30 seasons veteran teams. The number of seasons it takes to get even close to beating those teams are insurmountable. Yeah we are quickly able to earn more money than teams in bigger countries, but we don't get to play against those teams. We have to play against very established teams. There are not many real teams to compare with. So you can win against bots, and managers that start to tire. The same few teams, and mostly bots, over and over again. The same teams are dropping up and down every season. Almost no promotion/relegation. It is a stand still, and I don't care about advantage or not. I want competition, and welcome a move no matter what or how. But as I have said before, I would prefere to keep the national teams, because it is fun and one of the major driving factor for me personally. There is no animosity in my preference for having a national team.

So, you should be welcoming to a merging of micro nation leagues? Its already been stated time and time again by BB-Ryan that they will not be merging Nationalities, so it is pointless for people to continue to say they are against a merger of Nationalities as that is no longer up for discussion, what is still up for discussion is if we realign micro-nation leagues to make them more competitive, fun and hopefully increase the user retention for micro nations.

Your religion, language, and culture are great things to be proud. You can continue to be proud of them. No one is saying that you can't be proud of them. No one is saying that that flags, forums, nts, u21s will be taken away.

But like you said, this is a business decision. BBs have to make the decision that is best for everyone in BB, not just Iran. The economic issue of micronation is something that affects everyone which is why many users of macronations are arguing for a merge.

If there is a merge, this is your opportunity to shape the future of your community. If there are neighboring countries (Saudi Arabia comes to mind) that you do not want to merge leagues, then you need to speak up and give that shape. There has to be some accommodation that can be worked out so you can keep your Iranian community together but also benefit the BB economy which benefits everyone.

Last edited by Phyr at 4/11/2016 7:11:08 PM

You make a lot of good points above. One comment you I thought you were to go in a different direction but it didn't materialize that way. For the draft, in those multi national settings, why not just have them draft from a country based draft. So say all the users in Japan get lumped into one draft. They get slotted in with bots to fill out a sixteen team draft if needed. A couple of drafts if the user base is over sixteen and so on. This keeps top talent coming in to the smaller countries at the same rate as current. That's where I thought you were going with your thoughts but a lot of good thoughts above and through out this thread.

Not fixing my phone's mad ramblings above, I am sure you can decipher.

Last edited by Yuck at 4/11/2016 9:52:29 PM