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good luck to all teams tonight.

may you shoot better than the Americans did today.

and may you not be facing Tim Howard in the goal.

a tip of the hat to magiker.

i thought Pappy had the the stronger team, and he had HCA advantage as well. magiker won last night with an inspired lineup and offensive tactic.

i feel bad for Pappy -- no road he travels in BB is smooth, he is forever hitting potholes and speed bumps -- but what magiker did last night was, to me, extraordinary.

Thanks, Hassan, for the kind words. I think that our teams were fairly well matched—his is probably a fair amount better on paper—but quite frankly, I was completely outcoached. That pretty well sums up our series.

I had about 90k in salary on you total, but about an extra 220k salary for the top 5 guys. Our teams were definitely pretty close, especially since you managed game shape much better than I did, but it came down to me basically spending just enough money to keep me up here. Good luck next season, and I'm pretty sure we'll see you back here soon.

a tip of the hat to magiker.

i thought Pappy had the the stronger team, and he had HCA advantage as well. magiker won last night with an inspired lineup and offensive tactic.

i feel bad for Pappy -- no road he travels in BB is smooth, he is forever hitting potholes and speed bumps -- but what magiker did last night was, to me, extraordinary.

To compound that was the way that he only fell into the relegation series because of the end of game collapse against EDH. There's a movement afoot to rename Murphy's Law "Pappy's Law".

Yeah, wow. That was a ballsy move. Always thought of Patient as sort of a Hail Mary attempt. Gradzinski is one helluva player.

Patient plus the Lineup swap is gutsy. A little surprised Acker and Soto didn't get more o-boards, although Dog Rivers SG/SF counterparts basically had 3 total defensive rebounds combined.

i've been spending a good deal of time on the TL recently, and it is complicated. i was never very good with numbers (check out my transfer balance), but i sense there are some relationships between salary and asking price that i can't quite get a handle on.

as a recent example, take the case of Tobe M. for Desert Storm and the guard i just purchased. Tobe is a very good player, with probably at least two more high quality seasons ahead of him. huge salary ($244,000) but Tobe is on the NT. What is he worth? Jason began by asking, i recall, something like $2 million, then $1.4, the $1 million, and now has asked the bare minimum.

i bought a good G, younger, but no where near Tobe's skill level, but what i thought was a lot of skill for a much lower salary. the guy selling him figured that lower salary was of value, and i agreed, shelling out $1.3 million.

the outlines of the finances becomes clear -- low salary, high transfer fee, high salary, low transfer fee. but did i overpay? is jason asking too little (how many teams can afford such a salary and need such a player? if the answer is "too few", then there will be no bidding and tobe is transferred for $100,000 or less.) (but Jason shells out $240,000 every week tobe stays on his roster, unwanted.)

i've seen people do this kind of analysis of the tradeoff between salary and bid amount for staff, but the numbers and issues there are relatively straight-forward. i don't have the skills to analyze the patterns on the TL -- and that is why i am always losing money, i suppose.

Hassan>

I think I can speak clearly on this subject for you:

Its all about supply/demand.

By any team that wants to compete Tobe is only useful in a couple situations 1) As a starter in Div I, 2) As a hired gun in the playoffs. Even as a starter in Div 1, he may be salary inefficient, enough so that even starting for the NT doesn't help. Maybe there are only half a dozen teams that could be interested in him even if the price was right and they are all probably NBBA teams.

Also when it comes to low salary players...the demand is much higher. A salary efficient SF can sell for $4 M. Where as a 15/15 SG with lax other skills will get no interest at the same salary.

Also old players...just look at the Lethargy strategy as a prime example. Just because someone sells for barely anything doesn't mean he's a bad player either. In the right circumstances they can be efficient. You don't need all your starters to be efficient salary wise just productive for their salary. Nobody has unlimited cash.

I've been reviewing teams that have "staying power" they seem to have either a SF/PF that they built their team around or bought and then added pieces to around him that are rather interchangeable. That's why IMO those players sell for so much more than SG/PG/C. The market in BB is pretty efficient in that manner. It's not so efficient with high salary and older players in most cases. Unfortunately many teams end up building players beyond their usefulness and then have to toss their salaries out. In which case the market can't absorb so many high salary players especially with bad secondaries.