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Testing the "empty lineup prevention" code in Private League matches

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259887.266 in reply to 259887.265
Date: 2/13/2015 5:10:03 PM
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Manon I probably have played about 200 games iwth CPfDC and if the starter is the better player he will play more minutes than in blank/LCD. That is a fact. What you can do in league games is to keep minutes in check by setting a better player as backup (he will play 20-35 minutes depending how much better he is than the starter), however that will not help you in a NT game since you won't play a significantly better player as backup. CPfDC is much more flexible than strictly, but it only helps marginally if you set your best possible lineup.

Let's put it this way. The sub pattern with blank/LCD was already in the game. Surely they can implement something similar without the blank.

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259887.267 in reply to 259887.263
Date: 2/13/2015 5:18:12 PM
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This is accurate and I believe CPfDC works the same way. Also, now a fully set depth chart/CPfDC and fully set depth chart/LCD should give very similar results. We should get the old sub pattern with LCD (with more limitations to players juggling around different positions).

The code must be there, presumably they would just need to tweak it.

I will ask on Wednesday if I have the time to log. The alternative is reworking the impact on merchandise of course.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 2/13/2015 5:22:27 PM

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259887.268 in reply to 259887.266
Date: 2/15/2015 11:10:19 AM
Nitra Corgons
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The sub pattern with blank/LCD was already in the game. Surely they can implement something similar without the blank.

+1

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259887.269 in reply to 259887.268
Date: 2/16/2015 7:27:37 AM
Nitra Corgons
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I ran repechage games from season 28 and from season 30 to compare numbers and substitutions. I ran only first two groups becose of time. I have to say in each season there were weaker teams with tight rosters so World cup datas will be more accurate to compare at the end of season. But this is what i have counted for now:

BLU vs. NO BLANK
games: 24 - 24
players involved: 260 - 239
avg no of players per game: 10,8 - 9,9
players with 40+ mins: 17 - 54
players with 35-40 mins: 43 - 35
players with 30-35 mins: 25 - 13
players with 29 and less: 175 - 138

So in total with current system we play on avg 1 player less than before (as i said with more equal teams i think the number will be pushed).
With current system we have 23% of players playing 40+ minutes. With BLU we had 7%. That is 16% increase (that is about the same as lvl 5 and lvl 7 trainer?).

Possible consequences were described earlier.


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259887.270 in reply to 259887.269
Date: 2/16/2015 7:43:52 AM
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There's a point I don't understand in your analyse.

Players with DNP also bring some merchandising to their managers. So if you set 12 players per game, that doesn't change anything, isn't it? Everybody will get some money.

I appreciate the new system. It's really more interesting than BLU. But I also agree that something has to be done with substitutions.

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259887.271 in reply to 259887.270
Date: 2/16/2015 2:19:40 PM
Nitra Corgons
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There's a point I don't understand in your analyse.

Players with DNP also bring some merchandising to their managers. So if you set 12 players per game, that doesn't change anything, isn't it? Everybody will get some money.

I appreciate the new system. It's really more interesting than BLU. But I also agree that something has to be done with substitutions.

As long as i know there is difference between playing and not playing. I like the new system too. I dont like players playing 40+mins though.

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259887.272 in reply to 259887.271
Date: 2/16/2015 3:32:44 PM
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Yup, there's a difference, but players that DNP are also rewarded. A guy had +22k merch after a DNP, and +31k after a game played as sub.

I also agree that players shouldn't play 40+ minutes, but your arguments with merchandising are not convincing, imo.

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259887.273 in reply to 259887.272
Date: 2/16/2015 4:06:26 PM
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A guy had +22k merch after a DNP, and +31k after a game played as sub.

A quick question: are you saying there is a way to determine how much of the weekly merchandise sales are attributable to each player? Thanks.

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259887.274 in reply to 259887.273
Date: 2/16/2015 6:32:18 PM
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You can estimate the amount by calculating the merchandising difference between a week without NT game and one with a NT game.

Merchandising from NT games is a % of the salary.

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259887.275 in reply to 259887.274
Date: 2/16/2015 8:34:52 PM
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Ah, okay, NT matters ... to managers at that level. Is there a way to distinguish between $5000 / $10,000 in no-game / game weeks versus, say, $20,000 / $25,000? Either way the difference is $5k. Just curious for the day I am at the upper levels and hob-nob with NT's. Thanks.

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