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If one relegation can help you on the long run isnt one plan? Relegate, but you will have large arena, you can have some young players to built around, and the next time that you gonna advance the division you will be able to stay having enough income to compete. This is what i call long term strategy.

Playing in a large countries its hard its not like that i dont understand that, but long term strategy will pay off. You gonna need much longer time that me for sure but sometimes its not the Ithaki. Its the way to go there the more important. Its a strategy game. Invest for the long run. Dont buy lvl 6 trainer as the Spaniard friend done and now he cant afford his salary. Everybody has options. It happens to live in Italy, it happens to live in Cyprus. Nothing can change that as far as the game goes. What we can do its adapt.

Yes i have 2 trophies that i got them relative fast compare it with the time that i am playing the game, but again i cant compare my team with the Italian Div 1. I will need plenty of time to be close to the good div I Italian teams. You will need more. You have strong domestic competition. How we can change that? Making small countries weaker? Ok do that, but you will still face the same competition. If you can afford to buy better players that means that your rival can do the same. Nothing will change that will make your life easier. Dont you think? So the only thing that will change is our teams be weaker. Is that will make you happier?



Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/31/2010 10:53:19 AM

It´s not only Italian 3º division. In spanish 5º division (in my league) there are two teams of 125.000. Very close to your team.

Last edited by algope17 at 1/31/2010 11:11:39 AM

The problem is that in spanish 5º and 4º division the forums are used very few too. In 1º and 2º divisions is where the movement is. There is a national forum which has more users.

If one relegation can help you on the long run isnt one plan? Relegate, but you will have large arena, you can have some young players to built around, and the next time that you gonna advance the division you will be able to stay having enough income to compete. This is what i call long term strategy.

I totally agree with this point. Since most teams start in the lowest division, they should focus on arena as point one, and use this time with the starting players to figure out tactics and how the GE works. When the staff level changed I had level 3 and 4 coach for a long time, level 1 doctor and PR, and did not upgrade until I found an affordable one. It took time, but by not rushing I saved a lot of money. Perhaps my players could have had a few pops more, but it does not matter, they are getting there even if they won't be "finished" until they get 25-26 or more (meaning they are maxed out within the salary that I am willing to pay). An important part of success would be that you need to be more salary efficient and keep a higher turnover than your competitors to advance. This is an impossibillity if you neglect arena (in any country). It may seem strange to risk demotion to be enough to promote, but it is as I see it a neccesity to have a fertile ground for future progress.

If you can afford to buy better players that means that your rival can do the same. Nothing will change that will make your life easier

Good point, and a key element in this discussion. combined with the importance of building arena from the very start and utilizing tactics with as cheap players as possible. I have never been a fan of very specialized tactics because it makes you predictable (losing the tactics) and forces you to have expensive players if it should be effective. I understand it is a hard way to the top to have several divisions to beat, but it also presents a team with new challenges all the time. The fact that it is hard to stay at the top is a sign of healthy competition and proves that BB's are close to their goals. BB-Charles' numbers on promotion/demotion percentages illustrates that there is little to worry about, and I think the BB politics on the subject are very good. Especially this part:

On the other hand, we cannot create a set of rules where the best team in Japan can never hope to compete with the best team in Italy, because it's always possible that the best manager in the game resides in Japan

If this part had not been present, it would be unfair and definitly halting BB growth in new and small countries.

I have never been a fan of very specialized tactics because it makes you predictable (losing the tactics)

Meh... When you are on a league that the level is so close like my division the only thing you can do is to specialize in one tactic.
Anyway take a look on the last match of our leader in our division.(17963145) Maybe now you can understand whats a really high level on DIII in Spain. That team could be in every first division of small countrys.

]If you can afford to buy better players that means that your rival can do the same. Nothing will change that will make your life easier.

The problem is not our rivals, the problem is that we are beaten lot of times in the TL by new managers from small countrys, what you dont understand after 200 posts?

If one relegation can help you on the long run isnt one plan? Relegate, but you will have large arena, you can have some young players to built around, and the next time that you gonna advance the division you will be able to stay having enough income to compete. This is what i call long term strategy.

Meh thats not enough in a country like Spain and i suppose also not in Itally also spending money on arenas is really difficult, if you spend money on arena you lose level on your team. Jonidas example of DII was really clear and still no-one understands it

Why cant you understand that if you be able to get a better player, an other team on your division will be able to buy him too? So the lvl of competition on the domestic league will still be the same. The only thing that will change is that everybody will have better players. Result will be the same.

So if you want to win your domestic competition you must have more income than the other teams of the division. How do you do that? Arena is one of the biggest financial factors on the game. The other factors of the finances i am sure that you know them very well

Do you know the disadvantage to play in a competitive country like Italy or not?

1) When you lose a match in RS (this is probably, because exist some competitive team) you can lose 20/30% of the attendance.
2) when you relegate, your "Ticket Holders" reduced 40/50%.. repeat: 40/50%, and in A/II/III is very simple relegate.

These are only 2 example, but if you want I can write others.

This is the situation since 3° or 4° season in Italy.
Nobody want advantage in comparison to others countries, only we want to change this situations that ruin ours weekly economy.

This isn't a problem in Italy only, actually this isn't a problem at all. This is the standard in whole BB.

If you lose, you lose attendance, if you relegate you lose 40/50% STH, if you promote you gain the same % of STH. There is no difference in promoting from D2 to D1 in Italy or in Germany or in Holland or in Taiwan for the reasons you mentioned.

That having said, I would like to remind everyone at GM-Svetts posts earlier, please keep the discussion polite, refrain from personal attacks and try to stay ontopic. Otherwise we really need to close the thread, it's on the edge now.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/31/2010 1:27:46 PM

Re read my previous post please, and try to see my point.

Edit: If the title of this threat was: ''Impossible to advance a division and stay competitive, the financial deferences between the divisions are chaotic'', then i would support you all the way

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/31/2010 1:31:44 PM