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To be honest...
It's very ambitious. To make an effective div II starting PG and SG, you'd have to train them to 23 or around there.
Then get in Centres and PF trainees til they're 23, by which time the PG and SG will be 28. They won't be complete players and probably not even good unless you find perfect trainees.
So you'd have 2 28 yo guards, playing with 23-4 yo centres and then I guess you're hoping to get your SF by training one guy with the guards and centres.
I'm just saying my opinion, but training hardly ever gos as planned and to stick to that for such a long time would be so boring and in the end wouldn't be all that effective.

adam guns speaks the truth.
Its just too long and taxing to train 5 starters for your team.

Comrade what you have decided to do is good and noble. I think however training all 5 will be difficult. 3 of my 5 starters and 3 reserves were trained by us, but training all positions takes long.

All were raw 18 or 19 draft picks totally untrained.

Jake White was on my startup team and is now my starting PF.
Artur Vayman first player I bought cost $6,000 and now is my backup PF.
Asaf Svetozarov was the second player I bought $ 67 800 and now is my starting C.
Andrey Voevodin I bought as an untrained rookie in season 14 for $ 204 000 and now is my starting SF.
Valery Shurinov I bought at the start of season 17 for $ 104 100. A future star.
Darren Lonergan I bought at the same time for $ 270 900. Now backup SF.

That is 6 of my 10 players trained from scratch. I was considering at the start of season switching to guards but I really hadn't finished the big men and also hadn't yet produced a dominator as I hope to with Valery Shurinov and Darren Lonergan.

There is a team in my league that has come close to doing it the Henley Beach Hawks. They have made division II and only bought 4 players ever! But if you look at the salaries of their players they are quite low for their ages compared to players who have been trained optimally. With your resources and experience I am sure you can do it, but it is a long, long, long mission. Better I think to just try and make your own PG, SG and SF for now.

Training an entire starting 5 is not only ambitious, but long and painful for your team.

However, I'll not hide that I'm about to head in a similar direction. I'm currently holding onto a playoff position in my division and I feel that my team is good enough to take down any of my opponent (except for choo-choo who will be gone next season). I find it boring: for most of my last games, I didn't even both checking my opponents strategies. I'm confident that nobody can take down the current team I have if I play LI/M2M. Thus the only management I do is setting the enthusiasm for each game. In addition, I have maximum 2 seasons of "real" training ahead of me before I switch to stamina and free throws.

On the other hand, I feel the core I have now is good enough to make it to the ABBL but in the long run there is no way I'll compete with the top 5-6 teams up there.

It's probably the best time to sell for me now (market looks good and my players are young enough). I thought about it for some time and I'm now going for it! I like the challenge.

Back on the topic, I think it's not worth training the 5 starting players. You'd better train the key player that will be a game changer for your team. He'll be the "special one", the one you can't buy on the TL.

Then you can start thinking about the most interesting part of the challenge: how to shape your team while training this guy?

There are a few factors to take into consideration: back up players are very expensive while you could buy some highly paid balanced superstars for the same price.

Personnally, I thought about starting with a SF. I do not rely on the draft because of the X factor (aggressivity of the player: it's impossible to train and feature an extremely foul prone player in your starting 5). Therefore I'd first look for a 19yo consistent player who has been well trained during his first season. I'd train him with the future back up SF (just as young, but lower potential and starting skills so cheaper) and the future back up C. Single position training.

Once I'm done with the inside training, start the outside training for a few seasons with the 2 SF and future starting PG. That leaves me with 4 long term players. 4 to go to complete my ideal 8 men rotation.

After the single position training for outside boys, switch to double position: add the future back up guard on your roster + future starting PF (young) and future starting SG (should be almost finished - SGs tend to be cheap these days). Include these into the training rotation.

Finally, add the final piece (starting C). RB training for the big men + small forwards (last step). Then I could work with the bigs with a very reliable back court.


I imagine it could look like a cooking book. I'm aware this is a long, difficult and expensive plan. I believe in it and I know it's never gonna be as good as I expect it to be. I just find it exciting enough to give it a go.

After spending a few seasons managing a team, I have a better understanding of the game engine and the value of timing with trainees.

This example works for my project (which is not gonna happen if I can't sell my players at a decent price). The key points for me would be the following: timing, team shape (for the future strategy).

All of this can sound totally stupid. I may have missed something in this game. But hope makes you live and this is why we all carry on managing in BB.

I hope you enjoyed this wonderful wall text.

G'day all!

PS: forgive the spelling / syntax mistakes and the eventual offenses to anybody, I do not have the courage to read it again! =D

I believe in a non-balanced team. I want to take out the luck factor (of the strategy choice) by building a team that would play 1 system that nobody could defend. And this team's defensive strategy should be good enough to handle any opponent's offense.

In the end I'll somehow be back to where I stand now (almost whining that I don't bother scouting my opponent anymore because I always win with the same strategy). But by the time I get there... who knows what's gonna happen?!

well written but wouldnt it be easier just to sell everyone and buy a team right that can take you to the abbl? =P

just set your lineup to LI/m2m and train stamina/free throws every week or the odd game shape training.
players are super dirt cheap atm.

uh, that'd be efficient (especially considering I'm already getting 2.3 million for my starting SF lol)

but... not challenging at all!

I just love to snag a win here and there by tricking the opponent manager. And I need crap players for that :p

wouldnt it be easier just to sell everyone and buy a team right that can take you to the abbl? =P

have u seen tremells team?

& i imagine just like iwen & me he has the $ to match any big moves made

so in the end they r really just hurting every1

I think it's not worth training the 5 starting players. You'd better train the key player that will be a game changer for your team. He'll be the "special one", the one you can't buy on the TL.

i agree & that is where the wang comes in 4 me

going 2 keep on training outside till willy caps which as a pallstar wont be that long

then i can switch 2 inside training & finish the wang, he already had good inside skills but i hope i can get him 2 sensational in everything but JR & SB

he will be my difference maker

obviously i love xie but as a pure sg whose only unusual thing is his SB i could buy someone very similar for $1.45 million

but the wang is going 2 be 1 of those rare guys u see on the tl for 3 mill all the time, the difference maker as u said

if players can make a guy or 3 like that watch out world

i also think it is a lot more fun to have a core of ur own guys rather than a rent a team each week

Yeah, I agree - I'm training my two "difference makers" at the moment. Gardner is kind of one, but he's only halfway there. It'll be a looooooong time before the two main ones come to fruition, but I'm looking forward to it.