I know you guys think Shoei and Sheppard are legendary and maybe they are, but to me winning when you started and there was less than a dozen managers that had any clue what they were dong just doesn't compare with working your way up from division IV against hundreds of players. George Mikan, Dolph Schayes and Ed Macauley were all great players and in the Hall of Fame but would anyone really rank their achievements up there with Jordan, Kobe and LeBron?