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No market has collapsed, players that are trained well still sell for most money. The crappy and overpriced players are still lingering on the market weekly.

At the time,not only the "farming players" are out of the market(and this is a good thing),but many other players with a good salary/skill rate(200k level) have low value on the market,and this situation alter the market,because a user that have to sell his trainee because he can't afford him in a low division,will have few money for the work he did,and can't try to improve his team buying some players of an higher level,so blocking also the markets of the middle-high level,that have to sell their players to buy stronger players and try to rise up in the categories

That's what I call bad management. Nobody forces you to train your player to 200k or to extent you can't afford. If you feel you are losing your trainee, stop training and switch to some other training (other position or other skill). Perhaps the damage is already done by buying a trainee with too high pot at the start. Buy a trainee you can cap and keep.

That's what I call a stupid thought,if I have a player why I should not try to train him at the best?It's like Ibrahimovic would stop train himself during the years because his Swedish team would not be able to pay it...

About the stuff that some teams in some countrys have money and some don't etc.

It has been said before, yes not everyone has the same money situation if we compare country's, but it really should not be your main concern. If the Japanese user can steal some of your bookmarked transferlist players, then be it. Your direct competition in Italy can not get those aswell. Your main goal should not be about how much and when should BB inject money into Italian system, it's about what did Basketmans team do right to make it to divII, when you both started from season 6. You can start the global unfairness talk again, when you make your first appearance in B3. To me even that seems a little farfetched as Laim has proven you can win even coming from a high userbase country.

Basketmans is a great team,made great moves and was promoted,but now is suffering very much in II division,because to win a league as the our was last season,he has not had the opportunity to save some money to buy some player who can help him more in II division.
Tanqueray Lemon has been a great team through all these years,he is a great team and his manager did a great job,and had a player in the italian NT,but he remains in III division for many years because,Despite being the best team in the league,for some choices(he arrived at the eight-finals and in the ninth round in two seasons,losing energy,games,and team spirit) and bad luck remains in our league,but he can easily beat al the team of your league and being promoted in the I estonian division...but he can't have the possibility to improve and to do some kind of market,instead of you and your leaguemates,because you have higher incomes and lower expenses and despite this has a better team of all of you...so you should shut up when you try to liquidate a long and argued global reasoning as a matter of "a user who complain about his league and want to win easily"

If tanqueray was promoted this season,he would have many difficulties in II division,because also he hadn't the possibility to save money in these seasons,while playing in a great way all the seasons,because has less incomes of some teams like the yours and can't compete on the GLOBAL market with you

With the constant changes, you should have learned now that you don't need just 1 long term plan, you need several (in case this or that happens). This game is about adapting, like I said there are people who can and people who can't adapt. Arena has always been the one source of income you can count on. Why ignore building it then?

Who said anything about only having one long term plan or about ignoring building the arena? I talked about balance between different strategies.

And btw, all the BBs have been trying to do to the economy in the last seasons is exactly to avoid constant changes... so what are you talking about?

Last edited by Newton07 at 7/20/2010 9:09:05 AM

well as you menshioned before - you would like to have 5 SF. this would be great to have 5 SF with somwhat 120k salary each, but the same reason it is unreasonable. like in real life, there are guys that rebound and defend, there are guys that defend and attack and so on. you don't have to kill the beuty of gathering your kind of style team - I really like to shoot 3pts, so I train guards, my friend trains C's, as he in RL likes to post up and drive, so why should we all have some rediculous idea of SF team? I dont remember someone criticising Shaq about his inability to pass the ball, and yet I cant rememeber LeBron wining championship. so why make this somewhat idylic bb world, where you put you 5 guys, place a 1 on 1 defence and quick attacks? I know best players are those that have secondary skills, bus primary skills do matter and they matter literally a lot

Yes they have and it just has started to click into place and now when it's near equlibrium you start to complain. Market will always be changing so you need to find

balance

between building arena and training/selling players.
My point about arena was: arena is constant income, selling players is temporary and dependent on the market. There are always multiple tactics, but there is also optimal tactic. If it would not matter which choises you make then this game would not have any meaning at all.

If you like guards and train them so high you can't afford to keep them, who is to blame then? Me?
Then you are just stuck with overtrained players that do not have decent market value. Don't get me wrong anyone is free to do what they like with their team, to ask the game to be tweaked just for you is a bit too much.
If I like to watch basketball at small arenas in RL and thus want to keep my arena at 5500 and come here to whine about why I can't get the same income as 20k arena guy, cry out that it's imbalanced, would that be out of line?

Well, I think the game, that is played online, shouldnt have 'the only right way', as it makes almost imposible to catch up

That's what I call a stupid thought,if I have a player why I should not try to train him at the best?It's like Ibrahimovic would stop train himself during the years because his Swedish team would not be able to pay it...

Ibrahimovic has probably been pot capped for 3 seasons now, but that's beside the point. The swedish team kept training him because his potential was high, they sold him when they knew they could not keep him (because of salary so to say). They sold him just before they could not afford him thus making 9 times less money than his last transfer between big teams. If they would have kept him, he would of walked after his contract would have expired, netting the sweadish team a big juicy zero (just like the overtrained players in BB)!

Tanqueray Lemon has been a great team through all these years,he is a great team and his manager did a great job,and had a player in the italian NT,but he remains in III division for many years because,Despite being the best team in the league,for some choices(he arrived at the eight-finals and in the ninth round in two seasons,losing energy,games,and team spirit) and bad luck remains in our league,but he can easily beat al the team of your league and being promoted in the I estonian division

If he has failed to promote playing from season 3 and letting other teams coming from lower leagues to pass him and promote before him, then he is not actually worth higher position than 81-st in Italy. Nomatter how you look at it.
The faster you start to understand that you play against: 1-st your leaguemates, 2-nd all other Italian teams; the sooner you can stop blaming everyone else for your lack of skill, the better.

It's not about "the only right way", it's about optimizing different areas and deciding where to invest your incoming funds next. Ofcourse both luck and random are involved, but there is always optimal ways to distribute your funds (for your teams needs), how could we determine the best managers otherwise?

The faster you start to understand that you play against: 1-st your leaguemates, 2-nd all other Italian teams

Ok,If i had to play against only my teammates and against the other italian teams,I want national markets for the players;so I can have the same possibilities of all the teams that I have to challange in the market...

If you still want a GLOBAL market,you must allow everyone to have the same possibilities in the market,and with the actual system,many teams are penalized not by their choices,but from structural bugs of the economic system

the sooner you can stop blaming everyone else for your lack of skill, the better.

You are the last user who can talk me about strategies,and competition in BB,what's the strategy of your team?To remain in the II divison for ever and to train 30 years old players?Do you want only continue to brag with the newbies?

It seems funny to me that all of you are arguing/complaining/whining about how the market and economy are unbalanced and that is unfair for newer players to reach the top when none of you seem to be in a lower division.

I just promoted from D.V to D.IV in USA and although my players are not as high salary as any of the other teams in my division, I am still able to stay in the middle of the league because I strategize my defense/offense as well as manage enthusiasm. My team salary is a little over 50k (which is not even one of your player's salaries) but I can still compete against teams that have between 70k and 150k salaries.

Seems to me that the market is doing alright since I can purchase veterans who are not as trainable for cheaper and use them to compete in my division.

I noticed that young trainees with high potential are being sold for too much and most of these youngsters will never reach their potential. This doesn't seem to be a problem with the economy but that the managers are placing too high a value on these players. It does not seem reasonable that these young trainees should be bought for so much money since in the real basketball market they are not sold for that much at all. I'm sure that once the discrepancy in young trainees selling for so much is addressed that the market will become much better for everyone since it will allow those in higher divisions to focus on addressing salary instead of using all their money for purchasing players. It should help the lower division teams by encouraging them to keep their better players for training instead of selling for a large amount of money