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In the court, you tend to try moves you're good at or you play like you were told and taught in practice. So whether you have the skills for a move or you have practiced a few systems. I don't understand what you mean by having to adapt mentally if it's not practicing.

edit : to clarify my earlier post, I meant if you choose to practice Motion one week, your players will have their level of ability in the offence Motion going up. Untrained tactics level of ability would deteriorate over time. I think it's in the spirit of the original suggestion.

Last edited by Manouche at 8/23/2011 3:39:30 PM

Well, of course there´s some kind of training needed to learn playbooks. But actually it´s that: learn playbooks, study videos, BE ON THE COURT and run the schemes with your teammates. I think plenty of that "learning an offense" happens ingame, and not so much on the practice court. I don´t see any current training which could actually "improve" any playbook ability.

So given there´s a new skill we either need it ...

... not to change at all.
... to change by the minutes played in a certain offense (so there´s a lifetime statistic about the offenses a player played in, and a player starts with let´s say 1500 Minutes under the belt of his original favourite offense). so once a new offense becomes a favourite (=most played) offense, the preferrence switches (no more than once a season though, preferrably in the off-season / new season setup?)
... to invent a new form of team training, which has a ... 10%? chance of altering the preferred offense into something you can choose from (or maybe you can only choose the focus - or the speed, but not the distinct offense itself) ... and which produces a solid amount of "b and c skill training" so that there´s some impact on the regular skills aswell

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 3:42:30 PM

I really think that's something you learn in practice. You certainly can't play a true Princeton if you were not explained the fundamentals, have practiced the moves while being corrected by the coach until you feel comfortable with it and then apply what you have learnt in games.
You gain some experience by employing it in games but the workload is done in practice.

Well, yes, I mean: there´s no CURRENT training (in buzzerbeater) which trains that.

Just like some skills - passing is a good example - it´s not only a physical ability (thus displayed in the skills), but also a mental ability needed to run certain things. A good example is my Shooting Guard Nenad Lucic - he´s a very solid Guard for my level of gaming, but there´s some offenses where he simply fails to make the right decisions.

It actually does not require a science degree to understand why your player is unable to run some offences and takes some awkward shots. Every time you have used this player on PG or SG position, your offencive flow suffers. I'm guessing your player has high driving and JS, while lacking seriously in passing. He has not managed, to outpass both of your big men spots, in any game this season. Perhaps he makes better decisions when he gains some experience, but it seems, his scoring abilitys are too high compared to his passing abilitys and even a bad shot, while being smothered by defenders, seems a valid option for him (instead of creating a turnover).

That doenst explain his tendency to go to the basket in patient (which his relally what I don´t understand). His passing is okay, but for sure not great compared to his shooting. His IS is extremely low compared to his outside shooting. So even IF his passing is bad, he should still pass before he tries the layup, wouldnt you agree?

Still, in some offenses (and only then) he´s going to the basket play by play by play only to miss and miss and miss.

I can see him racking up pointless midrange jumpers all game long, as this is wahat his skills suggest, but given his skills there´s absolutely no reason he keeps going to the rim.

And it´s not ilke the shot clock is winding down all the time, there´s plenty attempts with like 10 seconds left (and other players around who should dominate their matchup alot more than he does)

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 4:12:07 PM

That's because he can't pass so making a shot is a better choice for him than risking to lose the ball. If his experience is low, it doesn't help.
He uses his driving skill for layups, not much his IS.

Well, that´s not true, he CAN pass, alot better than IS.

If he´s using his driving for the layup, there´s not much need he´s going for 3-20 all the time

Your player tries what he thinks is best. Experience helps him not making mistakes in taking a decision on what to do.
If he misses so many layups, it's because he can't find anything better to do most of the time. So no, he can't pass, not well enough for your opponents defence. It's not only his own ability but your team's ability too.

Honestly, i´m talking about Lucic in a Patient Offense, which is simply not working at all. And to some degree you have to trust me that there would be other options with a higher possibility of conversion than him going for a layup, even in todays game. But nevertheless, this is to no degree a discussion abuot my player, mind going back on topic? This is not me whining Lucic can´t do it (or at least it wasn´t before you kept posting your theories), and I don´t want it to start beeing it either.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 8/23/2011 4:36:59 PM

What you do not seem to understand is, that he is unable to find those opportunitys with his passing. You team is not actually a top dog in your league. There could be Dwight Howard wide open under the basket, with Muggsy Bogues guarding him, he just can't make that pass.
What you are rooting here is: give my SG inside offence bonus, where his passing skill and experience does not matter, because he has read books about this offence and is really suited for it from birth. Train the skills needed to pass inside and he will drive less and will take less ill advised shots.

Edit: about the patient offence. You were playing with let them play and as an aggressive player he was in foul trouble most of the game, thus his ratings were affected. He still had hit 9-18 (4-6 3pointers) at half time. Where is the problem? Eventually he ended up with 14-35 (40%) while shooting 6-12 beyond the arc. 7-10 FT-s. I don't know about his stamina value, but if you force him to play the entire game and think that his stats are bad, then??? What are good stats?

Last edited by Kukoc at 8/23/2011 5:18:57 PM