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From: abigfishy

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221027.27 in reply to 221027.25
Date: 7/2/2012 4:54:25 AM
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hattrick is the most popular game of this type in the world & their training is mindlessly train the same skill forever

a ton of fun right?

this game has a basic good idea with their training & just a few extra options would make things a million times better

just imagine they introduced the following training types

passing for forwards (= 2 pos passing for PG/SG)
post plays for guards (= 2 pos IS for C/PF)
full court press for front court (= 2 pos pressure training for PG/SG but applies to C/PF)

none of them are optimal so if u want perfect 1 pos training u still have to play ur C as a PG but at least it would be possible to train ur C slowly while playing in a somewhat sensible position

did every good passing C in the NBA really have to spend a season or 2 playing PG?

i have also always said it is stupid that PG, SG & C get a 1 pos training but forwards dont so there should be something 1 pos for them like maybe ID should be 1 pos at PF & OD should be 1 pos at SF not certain about any of there just examples

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221027.28 in reply to 221027.27
Date: 7/2/2012 7:23:53 PM
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did every good passing C in the NBA really have to spend a season or 2 playing PG?
Amen to that comment.

There's unrealistic and there's just silly.

Last edited by Axis123 at 7/2/2012 7:24:21 PM

From: Axis123

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221027.29 in reply to 221027.25
Date: 7/2/2012 7:28:53 PM
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Even though I disagree with you on a lot of things, I really like this post. You make sense.

That being said, I'm still gonna flame you...

Nah, just kidding. That's childish. Anyway, yes, you're right, it fits the context. However, why could it not fit the context to allow Cs to train passing while playing their natural position, albeit at a slower rate? What would be wrong with that? How would it ruin the game experience? You would still have to focus on which strategy to choose to beat your opponent. You would still have to miss out on training other players. You would still have to manage your minutes. You would still have to manage your economy. You would still have to.... you get where I'm going.

...and that's not entering the 48+min dilemma.

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221027.30 in reply to 221027.24
Date: 7/2/2012 7:31:25 PM
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i need to vote two things here, cause indeed it is stupid but it also an awesome element to an game ;)

Respect.

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221027.34 in reply to 221027.33
Date: 7/3/2012 11:39:25 AM
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So because size, wingspan, height and stuff is translated into other skills which are not named size, wingspan, height and stuff and you cannot "read it" on paper makes it a sily game?

And because positions are named PG, SG, SF, PF, C you are not able to field 2 Gs 3Fs or 4Gs and 1C?

I don´t think it´s the game which limits you if you think like that.

There´s no "red light" flashing when you field 5 SGs. You´re barking a tree which isn´t even there.

Last edited by LA-seelenjaeger at 7/3/2012 11:40:28 AM

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221027.35 in reply to 221027.28
Date: 7/5/2012 7:22:48 AM
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did every good passing C in the NBA really have to spend a season or 2 playing PG?
Amen to that comment.

There's unrealistic and there's just silly.



No. But, every good passing C in the NBA... was not born 7 ft tall. ...*ahem* life example for myself. i am the same 5'10ish height I have been since 11 years old. I was always top 5 in height in my grade at school even until about 7th grade despite not growing past 4th grade summer.

I was always tall, so I did a lot of post drills, and boxing out, etc. big-man skills. My dribbling is horrible for a "guard" and I can't go left. Had I been a superb basketball player to begin with, I'm sure even with my growth stunting, I'd of had a firm enough grip on the fundamentals of being a guard, etc.

For them, I'm sure Vlade Divac didn't always go straight to the post, but played guard positions when he was a kid, or maybe he had a late growth spurt. point being. NBA caliber players, probably didn't spend their whole childhood at 1 position.

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221027.37 in reply to 221027.33
Date: 7/5/2012 5:18:35 PM
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I disagree with your thoughts on real basketball and on training in this game. The main idea of a FCP is to create turnovers. The FCP in this game increases turnovers, simulating the main focus of the defense in real life. Since I began playing, all the BBs have said is that the game is about prioritizing. Training is no different than any other aspect of this game. If you want to train guys out of position, you can. If you want to create certain types of players, you can. There is, however, a need to make choices based on priorities. The fact is, it is the trainers who train players poorly, not the system. If casual players aren't motivated to learn how to work within the system, I don't blame the developers. If there were no good players, maybe, but that is not the case.

In most levels of basketball, the demarcations between positions are quite clear. Even in the NBA this can be the case. Look at the Celtics. What's more, media guides and news media use PGSGSFPFC to classify players. There are many swing men, but you would never see Dwight Howard listed as a guard. You would never see Rajon Rondo as a SG. Yes, basketball is a fluid game, but the vast majority of time during a game the different positions will be fulfilling position specific roles. Having players who can succeed in roles not normally associated with their positions creates mismatches which is why multi-skilled players like Lebron, Dirk, and Wade are so successful. The same applies in this game, I believe.

And it certainly isn't anyone else's fault if your rental monsters don't do the job.

Once I scored a basket that still makes me laugh.