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246531.27 in reply to 246531.26
Date: 8/23/2013 10:48:07 AM
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When there just isnt enough raw data to have a decent sample size , wacky numbers like this appear , theres no way that training passing speeds up with increases in height. as others have said , its more likely due to the people having a high sublevel and submitting very little information to the training analysis , thus giving a inflated or seemingly falsified appearance of this phenomena where passing is claimed to train faster on bigs than guards.

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246531.28 in reply to 246531.26
Date: 8/23/2013 3:51:15 PM
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If you continue the passing training, it would be nice to know if you hit the next pop-up in 2 weeks. It seems you could and should.

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246531.29 in reply to 246531.23
Date: 8/23/2013 4:25:00 PM
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Just because it took 3 weeks to pop does not mean that he gets 0.33 per session. If he started at 0.00 and got 0.49 per session his progression would go as follows.

0.00 -> 0.49 -> 0.98 -> 1.47

I am guessing that there is a good chance of him popping every 2 weeks for at least 2 or 3 pops.

I think 0.60 is accurate for a short guy, but a guy that tall should get significantly less.

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246531.30 in reply to 246531.29
Date: 8/23/2013 5:25:04 PM
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Just because it took 3 weeks to pop does not mean that he gets 0.33 per session. If he started at 0.00 and got 0.49 per session his progression would go as follows.

0.00 -> 0.49 -> 0.98 -> 1.47


You're absolutely right. The maximum possible, in my situation, is 0,495.
I was overjoyed and counted one extra week, i suppose

I think 0.60 is accurate for a short guy, but a guy that tall should get significantly less.


Its hard for me to dismiss statistical findings that easily. On the other hand, i respect the opinion of people that have more time in the game and training, than me.

Next time i train him in passing, will be following some pressure and handling sessions, to maximize all contributing factors.

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246531.31 in reply to 246531.27
Date: 8/23/2013 5:41:42 PM
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When there just isnt enough raw data to have a decent sample size , wacky numbers like this appear , theres no way that training passing speeds up with increases in height. as others have said , its more likely due to the people having a high sublevel and submitting very little information to the training analysis , thus giving a inflated or seemingly falsified appearance of this phenomena where passing is claimed to train faster on bigs than guards.


You put two things on the table.
One, that the "0,60-0,65" for his age/height is not accurate because of small sample and possible high sublevels for the players submitted.
Two, that "the taller the player the faster he trains in passing" is inaccurate, because of the aforementioned factors.

Well, a sample of over 3000 training sessions in passing, is not to be dismissed that easily.
But considering that the the sample of a certain age and (especially big)height will be consederably smaller it can produce false results, regarding the accuracy of a PA training session in terms of pop ups per session.

Having said that, the same sample, seems im my mind, much bigger when it comes down to a more general conclusion, such as the height to speed ratio. It is much harder to get that wrong, with a sample of 3000+ submitted PA sessions.


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246531.32 in reply to 246531.31
Date: 8/23/2013 7:24:48 PM
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3000+ passing sessions indeed
but how many of those actually fit the big man area?
That's where the small sample size comes in.
Especially if more of the big men started with lower passing skill

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246531.33 in reply to 246531.23
Date: 8/28/2013 4:37:59 PM
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Training simulator, gives him 0,60 for every single position PA training session, during this season.


I still love coach parrot ;) Here's what coefficients cp gives for training factors.

Passing on 1 position: 0,599
Coach level 4: 0,96
Height 208 cm: 0,763
Age 19: 0,92

When you multiply all of those coefficients you get 0,40. That's (with sub level at zero) 2 pops in 5 training sessions... That's pretty good for a big guy training passing. And much better assessment than 0,60 Training simulator gives.

cheers

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246531.34 in reply to 246531.33
Date: 8/28/2013 5:00:49 PM
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Cheers mate,

it does make more sense.