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It would be kind of stupid to have a 45k arena, and it's half empty every game :)

I agree. And yet "build your arena as much as you can as fast as you can" is frequently suggested by even guys who seem in other ways to know this game.

For example, here's a fallacy recently posted above: "Ultimately having more seats can never hurt you more than the cost of building them." That is totally false, of course. What really hurts you is that your money could have been working for you instead of being thrown away on empty seats. Your money not working for you is the biggest waste of all.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 8/21/2015 9:49:38 PM

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For example, here's a fallacy recently posted above: "Ultimately having more seats can never hurt you more than the cost of building them." That is totally false, of course. .

It's not totally false....Do you need a 20K seat arena if you are laboring in DIV? Of course not...but at the same you always want to have your Arena at least one division ahead of where you are because when you promote, you want those seats already in place to take advantage of the promotion bonus or you will be chasing dollars you'll never get back.

I started playing this game around the same time as a bunch of friends, and obviously, after the guy who got me into the game...I was more aggressive building my arena than they were, and I have also had more success than they have. Not that building seats is the secret to success, but when you are earning a significant amount of money more than your league mates because of your arena, it definitely gives you strong advantages.

For example, here's a fallacy recently posted above: "Ultimately having more seats can never hurt you more than the cost of building them." That is totally false, of course. .

It's not totally false....Do you need a 20K seat arena if you are laboring in DIV? Of course not...but at the same you always want to have your Arena at least one division ahead of where you are because when you promote, you want those seats already in place to take advantage of the promotion bonus or you will be chasing dollars you'll never get back.

I'll agree that being ahead in building your arena is useful when you promote, but you don't promote every season. Also, the statement as written totally neglects opportunity cost, and thus is false.

Not that building seats is the secret to success, but when you are earning a significant amount of money more than your league mates because of your arena, it definitely gives you strong advantages.

Sure, but you are not earning that money with empty seats.

I know that. If you're selling twelve seats at $10 dollars or sell six seats at $20, which way are you making more money? Answer: neither, it nets you not a penny more and you're still suffering the effects of overbuilding your stadium, either by having empty seats or low ticket prices to try to fill the overbuilt stadium.

I know that. If you're selling twelve seats at $10 dollars or sell six seats at $20, which way are you making more money? Answer: neither, it nets you not a penny more and you're still suffering the effects of overbuilding your stadium, either by having empty seats or low ticket prices to try to fill the overbuilt stadium.

The wonderful thing about BuzzerBeater is that there is more than one way to do things, and be successful. Not just one cookie cutter approach that all need to do, that would result in a boring game.

That being said, you are absolutely free to do things however you want with your team; but please stop giving advice to others....impressionable new players might actually listen to you and then regret it later.

Indeed! "Impressionable new players" wouldn't stop overbuilding their arenas, wouldn't compete more strongly and threaten the status quo. Save the status quo, it is working for veterans, eh? Smart new players will scrutinize the conventional "wisdom," see that it leads to too much of their money not working for them, understand the opportunity cost that represents, and stop overbuilding their arenas ... and thus compete better than ever. Overall, that will be good for the game even if it means additional competition for the veterans around here.

Seriously? You won't let up lol

All I need to do is look at your Teams History, and your Arena to realize you lost this argument before it started. You have been to D3, with a DIV size Arena....Your foolish actions have preceded your foolish statements.

Argument over.

It is interesting that you cite our move to D3. Our arena was built mainly during the course of our last season in DIV and our 10-12 season in D3. Actually, it was overbuilt, with plenty of empty seats resulting. Since that is the case, I would think my arena and its empty seats would be the last thing someone would cite as a good reason to overbuild your arena.

We didn't have the horses to compete in D3, though. We believed the standard line that there are many ways to win, including judicious use of the Transfer List, but it the BB's are busily trashing the TL by rampant inflation, just so that training can get ever larger $ rewards. Since we aren't fans of the illogical training system in place but it is still better than trying to use the TL in its current state, we chose to stay in DIV where we could win while maybe training up some youngsters.

Jason, we have followed the "conventional wisdom" about building your arena as early and as fast and as far as you can, and we have seen what all those empty seats are good for. We hope newbies look with a jaundiced eye at that particular "conventional wisdom."

You don't need to invent arguments that I did not say. I am saying that the conventional advice given to newbies, that they should build their arena as soon and as fast and as far as they can, ignores the opportunity cost of that (bad) advice. It is as simple as that. If they have better things to do with their money they should put it to work buying trainers and buying/training players. Empty seats not only do not yield any revenue, they represent money that could have been spent on something a whole lot better than empty seats. The opportunity cost of empty seats can be enormous.

Newbies, throw money into empty seats ONLY when you don't have something better to spend it on. Make your money work for you. Don't let it sit idle. (Even if your competition likes to see you throw it into empty seats).

BTW

I don't know where your empty seats theory cones from.

It isn't rocket surgery. Revenue from empty seats anywhere in the arena = zero.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 8/22/2015 2:28:11 PM