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277612.27 in reply to 277612.22
Date: 2/25/2016 8:39:58 PM
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Again:
1. Salary formula sucks regarding JR - we all agree on that.
2. Our players also sucks as they don't have neither JR nor PA enough to beat the OD players face. Blame BBs for practically not allowed us to train JR and blame yourselves for not training PA.

IMO, passing is the most underrated skill, maybe just a little bit behind shot blocking. 5 players on the field with 15+PA can demolish almost anything they face - if you give your players easy shots, you don't need 20/20 JS/JR guards to score 3-pointers.


I love passing, don't get me wrong. But for three point shots, I'd rather have a big man with decent JR taking a contested three against another big man than have a guy with 18/14 have an open three.

But the point remains - how much JS, JR and Passing do you need to train to be relatively effective shooting threes? When you then consider that you still have to train a division-appropriate level of OD as well. You've got to train these players significantly longer to get that JR, you get to pay them a lot more when you're done, and you're still fortunate if they're anywhere near effective reliably from long distance.

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277612.28 in reply to 277612.23
Date: 2/25/2016 8:46:02 PM
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The sad truth is that, of course, we don't know what 20/18 guys would do against traditionally built guards because they're not being built

I know of this one team that has a backcourt consisting of two guards at 18/18 and 19/18 in terms of JS/JR. The two players shot a mostly disappointing 38% and 34% from three point range last season in division I. Despite massive salaries and ratings that put them amongst the best in the world, their actual performance isn't really getting the job done. It's not hard to understand why very few managers have chosen to go the JR route. The balance isn't there yet and I'd be surprised if we've seen the last attempt at trying to increase the value of outside offenses.

PS. The team I'm referring to is my own in case it wasn't clear



Nice, and ouch. I'm actually aiming at getting three guys to 20 JR before going even more unconventional with them.

Just out of curiosity, based on my experiences, I wonder if you ever noticed either that your guys shot better percentages when guarded as opposed to uncontested shots, or if you saw more than a couple of games where your players had high PP100 predictions that they massively underperformed (e.g., 25% shooting or less on a 90+ PP100)? I was convinced that there was something with the Princeton tactic that make the SG's actual production plummet.

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Date: 2/26/2016 3:33:38 AM
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It's just sad that a guy with 19/18 JS/JR shoot 3pts 38% in a season. Who would train JR if he see that? An the salary is so high for those players.. they should score 3pts like Kobe in his best days.. better train a beast inside and win your games.

OD is overpowered, I agree.

+ 2-3 zone is useless on BB, and this zone should stop Inside teams, no way atm.
You know that a guy will play LI or LP, but you will never set 2-3 zone, cos you know you will lose it.. it should be just opposite of this..

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277612.32 in reply to 277612.31
Date: 2/26/2016 3:48:09 AM
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Ηonest question, since i didn't play the game back then:

When run 'n' gun ruled, what changes were made that led us to look inside dominance?

Last edited by maddoghellas at 2/26/2016 3:50:40 AM

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277612.34 in reply to 277612.33
Date: 2/26/2016 4:46:47 AM
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Thank you!

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277612.35 in reply to 277612.31
Date: 2/26/2016 5:25:20 AM
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It's just sad that a guy with 19/18 JS/JR shoot 3pts 38% in a season. Who would train JR if he see that? An the salary is so high for those players.. they should score 3pts like Kobe in his best days..


Kobe in his prime only managed to shoot more than 38% in one season. According to your logic 3point shooting is overpowered already ;)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

A better example would be the CBA, where decent players shoot ~48% from three on a good volume.

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277612.36 in reply to 277612.35
Date: 2/26/2016 5:29:55 AM
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Just said Kobe cos hes my favorite player, don't be so literal mate
You got the point of that what I said, that's important ;D

The 19/18 JS/JR (or similar) must score more from 3 pts.

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277612.37 in reply to 277612.36
Date: 2/26/2016 5:38:03 AM
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We could agree that maybe Drazen Petrovic would be a better example.

~50% shooting, with ~40% from 3 - on good volume, would be my expectation for such a 19/18 player.

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