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i am going to step down as the NT coach and I might not be the best coach in the world, but really you are going to select a player for the U21 that has atrocious passing and awful OD? You think any NT coach with a normal frame off mind will select him for the NT? Maybe it is best to list players you think that could make it into the U21 into a different forum thread. This guy should never ever play for the NT. (maybe we wont get better bigs trained in the future, than god help England)

such a shame :( nice bigs, but missing key attributes when it comes to making a difference playing for the NT. The 19 year old is too expensive, the 21 year old is too cheap :) Although I would never buy the 21 year old with atrocious HN and atrocious PS

unless ive missed something i dont think anyone is suggesting you or any other nt coach would pick a player with atrocious passing. And the 19 year old has a cheap salary, and time, on his side so that it is possible someone would give him that training.

I was looking for a big guy to give lots of passing training to for example.
I have also trained a player up from atrocious (although he was a guard not a big)

you are probably right though in that it might make sense to have an u21 for sale thread and keep the nt thread separate

this thread is called NT players up for grabs

why is the player being posted here, if nothing else than that would be suggested? this is what this thread is for. Players that are on the NT or that have a genuine chance to make it onto the NT. This forum isnt for listing any english player. So what is being suggested here otherwise, by listing this player?

I had this discussion with a EBBL coach the other week. And he was stubborn. Try train OD or PS on a 200cm or bigger player. I tried to train Craig Thom this season on OD, trained him 1 position and trained like 10 weeks OD this season. Ooooh and I have a level 6 trained. He popped once! So I will change to 1 position big training soon, to make sure not to waist his talent.

training a tall players guard skills is hard if not close to impossible. Training atrocious passing to mediocre (and this is low for the NT) takes a season. One position. Training a guys handling and passing from atrocious to mediocre takes 2 seasons. This is why I said in the past, we need coaches to train players with better starting stats, or we always will have players like Austin on the NT and not get out off the 40s in the world. You guys cant afford to loose 2 seasons off training on secondary skills.

You asked several times now for skill sets what NT players should look like. This is almost impossible to state, because you want a complete mix off different kind off skill sets. But for Centers you really want all guard skills at respectable or higher. For a PF the same, but with even higher OD, JS and JR. How higher the better for these skills.

I am afraid that the season I lost on Thom, will mean he will never play for the U21, but I do hope and will try my best to make him ready for the NT. But we do need 4 or 5 more bigs like him. At SF position we have 1 or 2 awesome prospects and we all have seen the NT players starters and their skills (dempsey and stanway) and that gives us a good indication at the level the guards need to be at. Saying that, these 2 players dont have any inside skills whatsoever and that is what we need for the future if we want to improve the NT in the world rankings...

Last edited by Astragoth at 2/6/2012 2:40:35 AM

If you'd like us to start a new thread for U21 players that is fine, from now on they will be posted in an U21 sale thread.

Just while we're on the subect - Stanway and Dempsey are rubbish NT guards, neither one thing or the other and with holes in their defence.

I'd hate to think we're trying to train more guards like those two.

If you are training JR, take it to 16, or don't bother because against the levels of OD we see, JR 12 or 13 may as well be 6 or 7 for the ability it gives you to play motion or run and gun.

sorry

what do you want? why didnt you make room for these 2 players and train their JR? Their OD is good enough for the EBBL and adding that little bit off JR wouldnt have been hard to do. But adding that much to JR would have really crancked up the salary. We have talked about this before. In order to be competitive at club level and to satisfy the NT, we need to find a balance to keep all satisfied. Dempsey and Stanway with better secondaries is the best we can aim for right now... If you can train better guards with higher JR and still be competitve please do so.

Stanway and Dempsey are way better than all the other guards we have and we need to start somewhere and if you read my message properly, you would have read that I said we need better than these 2 players because they lack secondaries.

if that is what you want to read and want to understand from my forum post, ok no problem.

I will rest my case and say no more. Good luck with the england U21 and perhaps NT in the future.

I had this discussion with a EBBL coach the other week. And he was stubborn. Try train OD or PS on a 200cm or bigger player. I tried to train Craig Thom this season on OD, trained him 1 position and trained like 10 weeks OD this season. Ooooh and I have a level 6 trained. He popped once! So I will change to 1 position big training soon, to make sure not to waist his talent.

No, you did not train Craig Thom 1 position for "like 10 weeks". No way an 18 yo would only pop once in 10 weeks 1 position training with a level 6 trainer.

Really don´t understand why you would say something like that. Being the NT-coach and probably quite influential in the forums.

I have a 24 yo 2.11 tall that popped every 3-4 weeks in OD. last pop this season took 5 weeks. But I have only a level 5 trainer. But in total this season he´s had 7 pops in outside skills.

training a tall players guard skills is hard if not close to impossible. Training atrocious passing to mediocre (and this is low for the NT) takes a season. One position. Training a guys handling and passing from atrocious to mediocre takes 2 seasons.

This is also totally wrong. Atrocious to mediocre = 4 pops. For 18 yo 1 position training you should not count on more than 9 weeks training. Probably less. And since you´d most definately´d get at least 1 pop in Handling from training Passing that many weeks, you definately wouldn´t need more than 6 7 weeks of handling training to also reach mediocre in handling.

I have a 2.08 tall 18 yo right know, that´s had 4 passing, 2 OD, 2 HA, 2 DR 1 JS unfortunately he did not have any pops last friday :(

And no, I´m not interested in taking over the English NT.

dont worry. i will not reply in detail.

i am sure the bigs with atrocious handling and passing will do well for the NT.

goodnight

I don't agree they're way better and I reiterate I don't think you should be holding them up as examples of what NT guards look like. Lonbay, game shape aside, is possibly the only English NT guard who might play for another decent NT.

Under my watch Stanway and Dempsey trained OD and passing, for the record.