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Do you know the disadvantage to play in a competitive country like Italy or not?

1) When you lose a match in RS (this is probably, because exist some competitive team) you can lose 20/30% of the attendance.
2) when you relegate, your "Ticket Holders" reduced 40/50%.. repeat: 40/50%, and in A/II/III is very simple relegate.

These are only 2 example, but if you want I can write others.

This is the situation since 3° or 4° season in Italy.
Nobody want advantage in comparison to others countries, only we want to change this situations that ruin ours weekly economy.

This isn't a problem in Italy only, actually this isn't a problem at all. This is the standard in whole BB.

If you lose, you lose attendance, if you relegate you lose 40/50% STH, if you promote you gain the same % of STH. There is no difference in promoting from D2 to D1 in Italy or in Germany or in Holland or in Taiwan for the reasons you mentioned.

That having said, I would like to remind everyone at GM-Svetts posts earlier, please keep the discussion polite, refrain from personal attacks and try to stay ontopic. Otherwise we really need to close the thread, it's on the edge now.

Last edited by BB-Patrick at 1/31/2010 1:27:46 PM

Re read my previous post please, and try to see my point.

Edit: If the title of this threat was: ''Impossible to advance a division and stay competitive, the financial deferences between the divisions are chaotic'', then i would support you all the way

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/31/2010 1:31:44 PM

Cyprus II.1
# Team Salary Total
01. Syntaxer (117458 ) $ 122 832
02. Α.Ε.Λεμεσου (117478) $ 105 610
03. vrkm (117395) $ 82 783
04. kaou9 (117385) $ 75 487
05. sexy boys (117549) $ 75 266
06. Souvlaki LAKERS (117470) $ 65 721
07. Foxis (117419) $ 62 340
08. E.N.A.D. B.C (117471) $ 58 907
09. Anorthosis BC (117583) $56 344
10. kaimakli fc (117460) $55 276
11. ΑΝΟ ΑΕΚ ΟΛΕ (117469) $ 51 427
12. barcelona club (117375) $ 51 318
13. A.O Agiou Nikolaou (117392) $ 50 593
14. apen (117465) $ 48 196
15. dark fighters (117371) $ 46 868
16. Apoel Nsia (117425) $ 42 862

Incoming sport Arena "Syntaxer"= 258000$ with 12003 seats
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Italian II.4
# Team Salary Total
01. Freccia Azzurra (27107) $ 466 350
02. Psycho Monsters (36907) $ 409 387
03. Mugghitolandia (46893) $ 400 985
04. Red Star Tierrebi (45474) $ 367 822
05. armadi jeans vi (36897) $ 352 478
06. Pro Sesto (46226) $ 349 833
07. Lucca Pisces (36371) $ 348 451
08. OlimpiaOKS (36702) $ 334 035
09. Smelly Cats (46743) $ 325 793
10. Siecola in NBA (36915) $ 297 643
11. Ice Cream Team (36506) $ 286 004
12. jesus walks (26896) $ 281 876
13. Atletico una cifra (46456) $ 274 782
14. theanswer87 (36514) $ 268 408
15. ZEZO (36261) $ 261 208
16. Blackbeards Pirates (46701) $ 235 280

average incoming = 255000$ ( I have 15000 seats but other team more)
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Syntaxer only from his arena(12003seats)=258000-122832=+135000k
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Freccia Azzurra only from his arena(20000seats): 234271-466350= -232000
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the difference between the two countrys from only the arena= +135000-(-232000)=+367000$
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the difference from tv contract between the two countrys is too low for me :)

Last edited by iLmAx at 1/31/2010 2:21:22 PM

sorry, I will take the first team in my II.4 :)

Psycho Monsters
262000-409000$=-147000$

the difference between the two countrys from only the arena=135000-(-147000)=282000k :)

sorry GM-damena for my mistake :)

now, what are you saying??? :) If you want I compare Italy and Portugal.

This is for the second series, for first division the difference between the countrys is major :)

Last edited by iLmAx at 1/31/2010 3:16:05 PM

There isn't a problem with how the game is set (maybe in the income difference between the top and 2nd division) but how many users are playing in each country.

In Spain -> a lot of teams -> higher level of competition -> forces teams to spend -> lower income
In Cyprus -> less teams -> lower level of competition -> doesn't force teams to spend as much -> higher income

But how does this imbalance affect other Leagues which aren't in direct competition? I'm not sure.

Yes, a team from the Spanish third division may be at a disadvantage on the Transfer List compared to a Cyprus third division team, but it doesn't affect the position of the Spanish team, because it affects all of the teams in his direct competition in the same way.
If he can't outbid the Cyprus team because the team has less money and working under a theoretical construction that every team in his division is of the same strength, then no team in his division can win that bid -> doesn't affect the competition.

Yes, it may be easier promoting in a smaller country but how does that affect the competition in Spain?

The only teams which may have a case are the B3 teams but they create a very small minority of teams.