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111087.28 in reply to 111087.26
Date: 9/15/2009 1:31:09 PM
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Regarding the forum, I'm happy for you to manage that...

yup. i am still thinking about doing that. Not so much 18 year olds but mostly 19 year olds. I would do this in the second season, not in the first one. I havent looked at all players yet, but I think there are quite a few players that are 19 and that are better than 20 year old players, or they will be alot better at 20 than the 20 year old one is now. I have had a look at the drafts for the EBBL for season 6.7.8. And like 10 players from the 144 players drafted are being trained... And when I say ten that is alot... :( Like you said yourself. A 19 year old player that is being trained is more valuable than a 20 year old player... Why not give the 19 year old player the experience for playing so we can use him when he is 20 or 21 than use a 20 year old player that isnt be trained and will be useless once he is 21???


Consider that your U21 will be NT player in one season (or well on the way to get there). Experience is negligible at best, useless is more like it.

I think it pays nothing to get young people in U21 unless they are the best in their category. I'd just follow their development and get the best players I have in my roster...

My 2 cents...

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111087.29 in reply to 111087.27
Date: 9/15/2009 1:33:05 PM
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yes wait until they recruit and than we will discuss this. I am not pessimistic, I think we have a great bright future ahead. I have had a close watch off drafted players and who bought them this season and quite a few good english coaches has picked up their share off good players. The debate we had on the forums were therefore partly very usefull. We only need 10 players or so to be picked up and trained every season to become very competitive. I will post all the draftees or future U21 players that come up for sale continuesly on the "england player for sale" forums and will contact the coaches off players with the best picks. I will scout every single one off them now I can...

I have picked up 2 great england player and 1 that could perhaps make it to the U21 coach if I get lucky with pops. The short time future I dont see so positively, the long term future, with a little bit off effort could be awesome...

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111087.30 in reply to 111087.28
Date: 9/15/2009 1:36:11 PM
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that is something I am more than happy to discuss, but I have had a look at the NT too. These players are so much better than the U21 team and from the list you have given me, I doubt more than 5 will get into the NT within the next few seasons and if they do, they wont be much better than what you have now... So why not groom some players that might come 1 or 2 seasons later in the NT but that are better than the current NT players??

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111087.31 in reply to 111087.29
Date: 9/15/2009 1:39:40 PM
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As for the "10 players is enough", I think you're wrong. I know that it's difficult but you would need at least20 players. Because with 10, you will be too much predictable, and you'll have even less space for tactical changes.


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111087.32 in reply to 111087.30
Date: 9/15/2009 1:41:23 PM
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that is something I am more than happy to discuss, but I have had a look at the NT too. These players are so much better than the U21 team and from the list you have given me, I doubt more than 5 will get into the NT within the next few seasons and if they do, they wont be much better than what you have now... So why not groom some players that might come 1 or 2 seasons later in the NT but that are better than the current NT players??


Consider that 21yo train way faster than the current NT players. As an example John Costabile (5864968) in one season got to the top 10 player list of England (he used to be in the top 40) (same happened to Christopher MacBurie (5150521))

If well trained 21yo will get into the NT by 24 at lastest, 22 more likely...

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111087.33 in reply to 111087.31
Date: 9/15/2009 1:43:54 PM
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yes, i didnt say 10 in total, 10 every season. means 20 players in 2 seasons time that are 20 and 21. and than every season get 10 more that would be a start. Off course you want to have plenty off players to pick from, but that is never going to happen. I talked to one or 2 other smaller basketball countries and even noticed in the USA U21 debate the BB developer charles said that the USA is behind china, italy or germany for example when it comes to enthusiasm on the forums and for support to their national teams. we have to start somewhere. and 10 would do me for now. Now I have only 7 or 8...

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111087.34 in reply to 111087.32
Date: 9/15/2009 1:46:05 PM
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probably. but I need to think about succes for the U21 team too. if the community is happy I work as a "farm" team for the NT I am more than happy to do that. but I am afraid I will be judged for results I have with the U21 team and not for how great players I get ready for the NT... And I think the way I want to follow, like you say yourself a player would be rdy for the NT at 23 or 24 at the latest. The players you have now, will last surely for many more seasons too come and are properly trained and are hopefully still trained not?

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111087.35 in reply to 111087.34
Date: 9/15/2009 1:51:13 PM
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probably. but I need to think about succes for the U21 team too. if the community is happy I work as a "farm" team for the NT I am more than happy to do that. but I am afraid I will be judged for results I have with the U21 team and not for how great players I get ready for the NT... And I think the way I want to follow, like you say yourself a player would be rdy for the NT at 23 or 24 at the latest. The players you have now, will last surely for many more seasons too come and are properly trained and are hopefully still trained not?


Well, the thing is the best U21 players are 21yo or 20yo, playing younger players will do very little to improve the U21 performance. Or am I missing your point?

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111087.36 in reply to 111087.35
Date: 9/15/2009 1:54:28 PM
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I think you do, if a 20 or 21 year old player is the best by far he will play... However I think our crop off 20 and mostly 21 year old players isnt that great. I will try my best to get other players trained better.I will show you an example in an email, dont want to give away too much details about player stats etc on here...

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111087.37 in reply to 111087.33
Date: 9/15/2009 5:15:53 PM
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yes, i didnt say 10 in total, 10 every season. means 20 players in 2 seasons time that are 20 and 21. and than every season get 10 more that would be a start. Off course you want to have plenty off players to pick from, but that is never going to happen. I talked to one or 2 other smaller basketball countries and even noticed in the USA U21 debate the BB developer charles said that the USA is behind china, italy or germany for example when it comes to enthusiasm on the forums and for support to their national teams. we have to start somewhere. and 10 would do me for now. Now I have only 7 or 8...



Yes, but I was saying 20 of each year. Because a 21year that's a little worse than a regular U21 player, is still better than a 20 year old player. I think you should lower a little bit your criteria because it's better to have 20 or 30 good players than 7 or 8 excellent players. At least, that's what I think

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111087.38 in reply to 111087.36
Date: 9/15/2009 5:23:56 PM
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I don't want to hark on about the good old days when I was the boss, but I do think my policy on age was sound. I pciked all the 21 year olds I felt were good enough to play NT21 international ball and then the best 20 year old and 19 year old prospects so that I could closely follow their progress - the likes of Barnett Singleton and Mark Alexander. That waym you can have a dialogue with the players coach (If he'll talk to you) or at least have a better idea of what type of players you'll need to play alongside them and then talk to the coaches of the other 20 year olds, to see if they are receptive to training their player in a certain way in order to make the NT, or have a starting place next year rather than a spot on the bench.
But, when it comes to court time, the only benefit of playing young players is to assess how they perform - forget xp gains, they are tiny, tiny, tiny.

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