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The tiebreaker is not points scored, it's +/- points. Are you saying that good defence teams can not get a good +/- stat?

No, I am aware that the tiebreaker is +/- (points differential) and I have no problem with that. What the original poster asked was what the tiebreaker after +/- is, which is total points.
I understand good defensive teams can get a good +/-. But they are at a huge disadvantage for total points if they're defensive focused. (Also keep in mind that the tactics - slower pace v.s. faster pace - using slower tactics doesnt mean a team is worse than a faster paced team. Just like focusing on defense doesnt mean a teams is worse than a team focused on offense.)

I understand the national cup problem, but the H2H is at least reasonable and justifiable, if not fair (national cup creates other sacrifices too). A one-game playoff is in a neutral arena is justifiable too. So is using the 2 tied teams' records in the last half of the season (I understand the teams played are different). However, there is no justifiable argument for the total points rule - it is not reasonable at all, because it says nothing about which team is better (basketball is not a shooting competition; there is defense involved). It is not in basketball tradition either, so there is no reason to feel ashamed of not using it. The total points tiebreaking rule is just an unfortunate and illogical rule implemented in the system.

Last edited by j9s3 at 12/15/2010 5:46:17 PM

Really...how often do you need a tiebreaker beyond PD?? How likely is it going to happen that 2 teams with the same record have the same PD?? Especially in basketball games where points are like 80-120 a game.

Really...how often do you need a tiebreaker beyond PD?? How likely is it going to happen that 2 teams with the same record have the same PD?? Especially in basketball games where points are like 80-120 a game.

Almost never, and Extremely unlikely :)

But I didnt bring the subject up. Just responding to the OP's question about tiebreakers after PD.

Exactly...it is extremely unlikely for this to happen.

So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?



H2H can present its own set of issues which I won't get into. PD is the most logical choice for simplicity's sake for a gaming environment. Not everything has to emulate real life.

when does the league playoffs start?

Last edited by GEMEDI at 12/15/2010 10:48:04 PM

The Tuesday after the last league game, so the 28th December.

So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?

Because we have nothing better to do :)
I doubt it matters, but it's just the principle that doesn't make sense, and some people have the OCD-like need for even the smallest things to make sense.

So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?

Because we have nothing better to do :)
I doubt it matters, but it's just the principle that doesn't make sense, and some people have the OCD-like need for even the smallest things to make sense.

if u think about it, the system makes sense ;) And head to head is biased here, because u don't always play your strongest lineup here - that counts for you and your direct concurence, but often you don't know who ends with the same record then you or the game plan don't allows you to concentrate on that game. not forget about the end game logic

With point differential, those things balance out, over a season. With head to head, i think they will be lot of unlucky comparisions.

So why do we need to discuss further into what tie breakers should be used beyond this point?

Because we have nothing better to do :)
I doubt it matters, but it's just the principle that doesn't make sense, and some people have the OCD-like need for even the smallest things to make sense.

if u think about it, the system makes sense ;) And head to head is biased here, because u don't always play your strongest lineup here - that counts for you and your direct concurence, but often you don't know who ends with the same record then you or the game plan don't allows you to concentrate on that game. not forget about the end game logic

With point differential, those things balance out, over a season. With head to head, i think they will be lot of unlucky comparisions.

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I've already said that I have no problem with point differential! I've said that at least 4 times now! It's the total points that I have problem with.