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There is a reasonable question being lost in this argument, namely why is any player in this game bad enough to miss all 1700 FTA in his career? Just playing and training for 15 seasons would result in improvement.

I think a player should instantly pop in the free throw skill after he attempts 200. Then 500. Then 750. Then 1000. That would easily prevent things like that from happening. Or simply do what others have suggested and made free throws correlate with jump shot (Every 3 or 4 jump shot pops also pops free throws once).

Sorry if I ruffled your feathers.

I probably shouldn't bother because, y'know, you'll just claim you know "my type". And I'm guessing you consider lecturing a pejorative? I'm not certain how your responses to me have been any less lecturing than mine to you, but whatever.

But again, you aren't reading what I've written. I initially asked for empirical evidence that training jump shooting trains a person's FT ability. That's very different from asking if good three point shooters are also good FT shooters in the real world.

Btw, you did notice that not all of the top 3 point shooters in your link are over 80% Ft shooters, right? And this despite the fact that all of those guys train both 3pt shooting and FT shooting fairly seriously. Rather hard to believe, isn't it?


redcpedt asked:

There is a reasonable question being lost in this argument, namely why is any player in this game bad enough to miss all 1700 FTA in his career? Just playing and training for 15 seasons would result in improvement.

In the real world, sure. But this is a simulation where the manner in which players improve is very much nothing like how a person in the real world improves. The only reason there are players in this game who manage to take that many FTs and miss them is because the people playing the game have decided to never train FT. In the real world, I doubt you could find a basketball player at any level who doesn't train FTs at least a little bit every week, if not day. In BuzzerBeater it is something many refuse to train (and then come to the forums and complain about their poor FT shooters) so you end up with these oddities - guys who make Shaq look like a FT god!

Most teams have at least two weeks a season where they will only have two games. Just taking one of those weeks each season (heck, even every other season) will turn a 0% FT shooter into a more realistic terrible FT shooter in fairly short order.

They already changed the training once to add "cross-training" due to how silly and unrealistic many people were training their players and then complaining about so many players being uni-dimensional. While I'm not in favor of it, perhaps they should reduce the amount of JS and JR training one gets when training Jump Shot and put that percentage toward FT shooting. Of course, then people will complain about how slow Jump Shot training improves JS and JR. I just don't think it is really needed, given how easy it is for anyone to actually improve FT if they truly care about it.

Sounds great ...

I agree that there should be correlation between JR and FT.

I think a player should instantly pop in the free throw skill after he attempts 200. Then 500. Then 750. Then 1000. That would easily prevent things like that from happening. Or simply do what others have suggested and made free throws correlate with jump shot (Every 3 or 4 jump shot pops also pops free throws once).

Awesome idea. I can't wait for my guys to get rebounding pops when they pull down their 1000th career rebounds. Oh, wait, we're only doing this for FTs because it can't be traine... uh, yeah.

Go Beener!

Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking, when it comes to justifying bad game design.

No professional would shoot 0%. Period.

Although it is admittedly pretty stupid that somebody can miss 1000s of FTs and not score one (any normal person would make make some), it is equally stupid to constantly moan about this fact when if FT is trained up to just awful this results in over 50% at the line (my experience).

What may be the real solution, rather than making FT trained as a secondary with JS training, would be to ensure that a players could not start with a 1 in FT, seeing as they are basketball players after all. Or, perhaps more realistically, make sure that players with atrocious make more free throws.

Whatever you may think, the reality is that if your player has a 1 in FT he's going to be what it says - atrocious. If you're that worked up about it, train it!

Sometimes I wonder what people are thinking, when it comes to justifying bad game design.

No professional would shoot 0%. Period.

No professional would play 70 minutes a week at SF for his entire career and not have his skills go up simply because the coach was "training" other positions either. The whole idea of the game is that if you want a skill to go up, you train it - and if you don't and the skill is low, the player will perform badly at that skill. The magnitude of that "badly" is questionable - I'd rather see absolute zero be more along the lines of 20% FT shooting and make the training improve that percentage in a flat percentage type rate, but I'm sure that even if they did that we'd hear that "no professional would ever shoot 20%" from the line.

Sarcasm bud sarcasm sorry if it didnt come across through the screen. Im just a little frustrated as to why it cannot be correlating with jump shot and pop after every 3-4 pops for jump shot. I think that would be very reasonable. In no way shape or form should they ever go pops by number of free throws made. Sorry you didnt get the sarsacm.