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Yeah my chart came from the bb training project

Oh my bad. You are right.

Strongly disagree with the statement that blowing a team out has no effect on trainees getting 48+ minutes. Wacky things happen in garbage time. I don't really recommend CPDC either.

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blowing out is non advisable if you want your player to play 48 min.
play to lose on scrimmages. assign your center as PG, SG as PF, choose the worse tactics, anything you can do to avoid winning, or worse, blowing out.

9 players is also key. don't play with more than 9 players if you want 48 min.

then pray for your trainee don't commit many fouls and don't get injured.

that's pretty much it. works 80% of the time. there is no 100% warranty. still the best way to train. when it doesn't work, try to use his minutes changing the training to 1-on-1, stamina or free throws.

Have you tried to calculate the financial loss by only using your expensive trainer for 2 players instead of 3?

Strongly disagree with the statement that blowing a team out has no effect on trainees getting 48+ minutes. Wacky things happen in garbage time. I don't really recommend CPDC either.

And you'd be wrong. Every single sentence in your post is incorrect. This reply is also for the 6 people who liked your post and seem to support misinformation.

1 sentence+2 sentence. Garbage time does not affect the substitution pattern any more than described by Perpete and Manon. This is my Utopia team (276019), I have 3 trainees, Mr Porridge (34618483), Mr Corny (35872040), Mr Turtle (35439933). Note that Mr. Turtle had much better inside skills for the entire duration of his training (in other words, he has been really playing out of position at PG). I invite you to check how many times they missed 48 minutes because of a garbage time. Hint: the number is 0. In fact, as far as I can remember in 20ish times I trained single position in the past couple of seasons none of them has ever missed training.

Garbage time is very predictable, the bench players get subbed in and play. If you have less than 5 bench players they will follow the depth chart in both SFDC or CPfDC if they had been assigned a role as backup. If you have 5 bench players and some don't have an assigned role then the coach might sub them in at the positions where you haven't selected a backup or where another player has been slotted as multiple backup. If you have 5 or more all the bench will go in, if stamina/skill allow for it. Again those with no assigned role will sub in at their best position.
As mentioned, it's extremely predictable, if you have a full lineup set.

Bottom line the sub patter in garbage time with 4 or less players each with a selected position as backups in SFDC and CPfDC is entirely predictable and I'd like you to show proof if you maintain this is not the case.

3. You're also wrong in not recommending CPfDC either. The manager you replied to is actually correct in saying that both SFDC and CPfDc are equally fine. CPfDC yields better ratings and prevents the wacky sub patterns where all the starters are pulled at the same time. Also by setting a better player as backup, that player will play the bulk of the minutes without approaching the 40 minute mark where he would otherwise get to. However CPfDC is bugged as when the backup is much stronger than the starter, then the coach will subvert the Depth Chart set by the manager and will start the backup. Even when this happens the better player will get less minutes than he would have had in SFDC.

CPfDC basically evaluates the players selected as starter and backup at any given position, based on skills, game shape and stamina. However each player is given an additional coefficient depending on whether he was slotted as starter or backup, starters have higher coefficients. As stamina reduces during a game a substitution is triggered if the guy on the bench overtakes the guy currently playing in his overall evaluation (which includes the starter/backup coefficient). When even with the starter coefficient the backup has got the better evaluation outright, the coach will subvert the depth chart selected by the manager.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/14/2015 5:35:53 AM

Maybe I'm not being clear. So if my guy gets 47 minutes half a dozen times and 46 minutes three other times over 8 seasons of training, how many extra weeks of training are needed to make up for lost time and to attain your desired results? Probably not significant.

I am blowing out like 70% of my opponents and I am training 6 guys - unless there is an occasional foul out or some injury I almost never had issues with getting 48+ minutes. It's quite puzzling why so many people have problems with getting the minutes right.

It's actually very simple if people who think they know it all while they actually don't spread misinformation (please bring proof if you make absolute statements, I have my own teams for 5-7 season and at least 10 trainees to support my claims and I have already linked the history of my current trainees in Utopia).

These are the rules that need to be followed:
Required
1. Obviously use the all star setting to set the depth chart for the game
2. Use SFDC OR CPfDC as the american manager was saying and was told off
3. Use 9 players or 8 players OR less in the lineup depending on whether you train single position or double position
4. Assign a starting or backup depth chart slot to each player. No player should be in the lineup and not have a depth chart slot selected. In most cases I select 1 Starter/Backup slot for each player leaving the rest blank and it is more than enough (I only select reserves if I use 10 or more guys). If it makes you feel safer, fill the entire depth chart, but with 8 or 9 players it won't matter.

Almost necessary and player specific
5. The trainee is not foul prone (note that this is boosted by the next point)
6. The trainee has not low stamina. This increases fouls and might also lead to the trainee being subbed out irrespective of option selected be it SFDC/CPfDC/LCD. As a benchmark, I think Sid Vicious or some other manager from down under found that a solid 4 Stamina is required to prevent a stamina driven substitution

If you do this there is only bad luck which could come into play: injury, foul out and FT substitution (a temporary switch where the trainee gets subbed out because the player who should be subbed out is shooting free throws).

Note that 5 and 6 are less and less relevant the better the trainee is compared to the best players available in the lineup. A substitution is more likely to happen when you are training out of position AND you have other players who are significantly better at that position in the lineup. This effect might be boosted (hence the misinformation being spread here above) in garbage time if another of your starters (who will sit on the bench in garbage time) is much better than the trainee at the position the trainee is playing AND the trainee stamina is too low.

Do you mean to say that a trainee will not miss minutes if settings are correct, and no injury/foulout occur?

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No subs before garbage time, but when it is my guy gets subbed right away:
3 1:54 19 — 82 It looks like we're now in garbage time.
3 1:54 19 — 82 S. Horák (H) comes off the bench to replace C. Crespi (H) at PG.

(66025407) no garbage time mention, but 32 point differential and first sub at
4 6:27 90 — 58 F. Sharifinia (A) comes in to replace C. Crespi (A) at PG.

(66024529) no garbage time mention but 35 pd and first sub at
4 6:06 52 — 87 S. Horák (H) substituted for C. Crespi (H) at SG.

(72611178) 23 pd and no subs before
4 0:39 109 — 86 S. Horák (A) comes in to replace D. Custers (A) at PG.

(72611098) 26 pd and no subs before
4 0:41 98 — 72 N. Matsyura (A) brought in for D. Custers (A) at PF.

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I can't show you the lineup I used, but I've been training a long time and these were not all mistakes in the lineup (otherwise there would be subs earlier in the game). It only happens in blowouts and when a weak player for the position is trained. I'll count stamina as part of the player being weak, because I'm not sure if it's a independent factor.