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I think the game engine works like this:

1) First it picks the final score
2) Then it assigns stats to the players so that it comes out to that score



I swear I have seen people suggest this somewhere. Obviously it can be as random it wants with an "algorithm" like that! It does seem pretty random!

I'm not sure what to believe. I haven't given it much thought in a while.

It's certainly *felt* like that at times when watching games live though. After my first few seasons, i know i asked publicly if there was something like that happening. (not exactly that, but similar). I was more speculating however.

In terms of starting with an outcome first... i wonder about that in regards to certain foul-outs. There are games you just know that a random guy is going to foul out by halftime for no real reason. & know it in the first few minutes. it's clearly not due to the opposing player, as an even more aggressive backup can often finish out the rest of the game without a single foul.

I'll give you my earlier theory over BB mail if you really want it. Was going to write it out here, but is probably be too long / convoluted for the forums.


@AZ
i know of actual video games doing that... i wonder if they do that here though.

As a computer programmer I will say that writing a basketball simulation is quite possibly easier than writing some sort of basketball-final-score-generator plus a convincing-statistics-generator-that-produces-that-desired-score. I mean even if you were going to ignore the simulation part and just generate statistics and call that the game engine, you'd just... generate statistics and add them up to see what the score came out to. Not start with a final score and work backward??

I don't know if this game has come-from-behind mechanics. I call it "nintendo pity" because NBA Jam on original Nintendo was just blatant about it and that was the first time I experienced it. If you put in the cheat code or game genie or whatever it was that let you see it, it would show the shot % on the scoreboard when you pulled up for a jumper. Halfcourt shots would be 2%, but if you were losing by 20 or 30 Patrick Ewing could nail halfcourters at a 50% clip!!

true. & blah, didn't mean for it to come across like i truly believed the final score came first, & the rest 2nd. just meant that sometimes it felt like something wasn't "right" in my early days. (my original theory didn't involve the engine working backwards either or a fixed final score, FWIW)

Piggybacking on the nintendo pity... is it plausible that they could randomly increase a player's chances of committing fouls by like 900% to start a game? Or could there be an "auto foul-out script"? The way in some games single players can just lose it seems odd to me. I guess that's what i meant by outcome first (was a misuse of the word really). Because that would be basically determining in advance that the player had no chance to stay in the game. But it would still be simulated working forward. (idk, just throwing that out there without much thought. probably a ridiculous notion?)

Hmm, I don't think there's an auto-foul-out script, I've had games where I have a guy pick up 5 in 18 minutes but then wind up playing 40. I think it's one of those "you tend to remember the sucky parts" things.

Well the allstar festivities look as awesome as ever! I have both PFs... sort of deservedly so based on their stats, and beating out two (middling) US NTers. These fans have no patriotism!! I also have the starting PG but I have a hard time remembering that guy is on my team to be honest. Lorenz played ONE GAME for Brian and got 17k votes, haha. Ma Jundi cannot be happy about that.

More excitingly, my backup PF (allstar starter) Gaudin is in the 3pt contest somehow! He's 7-13 from beyond the arc this season so I'll be taking the UNDER for shooting percentage but the OVER for first-round points!

How much LI does the NBBA play again?

Last edited by Peluin at 7/2/2012 6:23:22 AM

After this season is over, I'm thinking of changing my team up and resuming the neverending quest to make some tactic other than LI work...

I say why wait? Think of how much further along this quest you'd be if you started sooner! The all-star break is the perfect time to retool, so just forget about your pesky league game on Saturday. This is for the greater good!

P.S. Silverbacks team has a low-ish payroll, I don't want to think about what they'd be like if they actually spent money on a big man who could defend and rebound.

Well I just made 1 management mistake, I norm'd against a team that tanked. Wasn't expecting that at all.

I also don't think the title is mine to lose at this point. You and Lethargy are only 3 games away. With 9 games left it doesn't take much to close the gap, especially since we haven't even played each other yet. You could be retooling, or could beat me then decide why the hell not, and make a run at adding to your total title count. I also only beat BMG by 2 points at home, with the same effort, it wouldn't take much for him to take me in a 3 game series.

Anyway, regardless of what I do, the NBBA title is yours to lose at this point.

I mean, just looking at your team, you could take a break from training and steamroll me. I think your team has got a little too much talent compared to mine.

Last edited by AZ at 7/2/2012 1:54:58 PM