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From: LA-macabroo

To: Mvp
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143014.29 in reply to 143014.27
Date: 5/7/2010 4:40:41 AM
Brigada Diverse
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Seeing that you just promoted the difference between the "I am pleased with the team's performance last season" line in the fan survey( now i believe you have 5 stars) you could get something like 3-4 stars next season.This is risky because doing this next season too will really hurt your team but for this season it shouldn't affect your rating to much.This will also give a little bit of a head start in the "The team played well in our last league game" line for next season seeing that you will finish 6th this season, next one you will probably have 4-5 stars on this line if you can place in the top 4.
As of the merchandise sale this will probably have no effect(or only a small one) because you will be able to balance the over all fan survey stars with better cup matches, not selling your players, etc....
This is my take on this matter so keep watching for some other opinions just to be sure.
I also suggest you try your best for the next to get to position 2-3 to play better playoff matches because this tactic is not worth 2 seasons in a row, but i could be very effective for team to try to compensate for your inexperience in your current league.
Hope this helps.

From: Mvp

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143014.30 in reply to 143014.11
Date: 5/7/2010 5:14:07 AM
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chances are I can swing 3rd place in my league. but both 1st and 2nd place are highly better than the 3-6th place which are equally the same. Ill look more into the tanking as the season goes on, as we are all around the same record now, but they still have to play the #1 team on the other side.

I dont plan on being in this situation next year, as i have a plan focused on atleast 2nd place possible championship next year..

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143014.31 in reply to 143014.25
Date: 5/7/2010 9:30:34 AM
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In the real world, teams tank games for pretty much the same reasons - better draft picks, playoff positioning, etc. It's just that they don't come out and openly admit to it as some are willing to do here. Don't see why having it in the game would be seen as a fundamental problem with the game. The team should pretty much suffer the same type of consequences - lower fan support due to poorer finish, possibility of the strategy blowing up in their face and being relegated, etc.


Very nice post. And I totally agree that it does happen in the real world. The big difference in the real world there are consequences. In BB finishing 6th is way better than 5th, especially when you can scout your relegation opponent and know that you will likely win. TBH I am totally OK with teams tanking, but think there needs to be some serious risks.

So for example a team that falls far below its fans expectations should see a significant drop in fan support. There merchandising should also take a beating. Another good solution is that the relegation games be on neutral site so there is no income from them.

The current system punishes the 5th place team while giving the 6th and 7th place teams more available income and training. Yes there is a risk of relegation, but it is often quite slim. As the team has intentionaly positioned themselves in a spot they feel is favorable.

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143014.32 in reply to 143014.31
Date: 5/7/2010 10:56:07 AM
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I agree that there probably needs to be greater risks associated with tanking, as it does sound as if there is probably too much incentive for a team to shoot for finishing 6th over 5th and not enough repercussions. Although this is only my first full season, and, personally, I'd love to finish 5th so I don't have to worry about being relegated back down to Div V.

Another option, in addition to the ones you brought up, might be to have the two 5th place teams in a league play each other a home-away series during the playoffs. That way each 5th place team does get two games during the playoffs for training and some arena revenue. Although perhaps that would result in people tanking from 4th to 5th, as 4th place likely doesn't get too much from the playoffs unless they can pull off a bunch of upsets.

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143014.33 in reply to 143014.13
Date: 5/7/2010 8:22:42 PM
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I've got a very simple solution to this problem.

All income from relegation games is equally divided among the 5th, 6th, and 7th place teams in the league, with no regard to who played in the game.

That would remove 99% of the incentive for tanking your way into a relegation match. (The other 1% is that you get a better draft pick.)

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143014.34 in reply to 143014.33
Date: 5/7/2010 8:58:22 PM
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It would work.

I still prefer the relegation tournament as a format, but maybe the cash can be distributed evenly as well.

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143014.35 in reply to 143014.34
Date: 5/8/2010 3:41:35 AM
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I think a better solution would be to give no money for relegation games at all.