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From: Skyhookz

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Date: 5/22/2012 7:09:54 AM
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sorry Mr Lazy... ok, they might have played but they played out of position...

83k C for example, playing at SG
12k PF playing at C against ur 42k monster..

Look at your 2 top scorers, they were playing against guys out of position, or not against the best opponent...

tactically, you absolutely nailed it tonight.. you played Look Inside, and bainsy simply had no answer in the paint.

i might comment further on your cup game on Thursday see who is left from your player sales... he has a pretty well rounded starting 5, hard to find a hole for you to eploit there.


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Date: 5/22/2012 7:24:23 AM
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My C wasn't supposed to play SG but a trainee fouled out

Garrie Addison (18085302). The G-Adder striking blows since season 15
From: P. Tom

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Date: 5/22/2012 8:02:07 AM
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Sweet. That makes sense. Is this done for training purposes?


From: Skyhookz

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Date: 5/22/2012 8:31:21 AM
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alot of it comes back to what i mentioned earlier : GAME SHAPE!

do not under estimate it, it can be your best friend, or a thorn in your side....

theoretically, you want your players to play between 60-80 mins per game. on average, a starter plays 30 mins per game, 3 games per week (2 league and 1 either cup or scrimmage) so player would play 90 mins per week if he started all 3 games..

in that scenario, the game shape would either stay at current level, or drop, and the effect of a low game shape is huge.

so, a big part of your week comes down to strategising, so you dont kill game shape.. so if bainsy thought your game tonight was a guareenteed win, and the cup game was a challenge, he may have used tonights game for trainees, to get them their training minutes, and rested some guns so he could bring them out for the cup game, and not jeopardise game shape.

it is all a big juggling act.. The way around it of course, is to forget trainees, buy older players and train game shape each week.. i find few can pull off this method, as you need serious $$ and infrastructure behind you to get the right players, and of course your team doesnt get better, so if you promote, staying up could be a challenge, as could be selling old farts :D we had a guy in this league a few seasons ago who tried that and epic failed and relegated :(

From: P. Tom

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Date: 5/22/2012 8:54:47 AM
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Thanks again.

So can you get lifts in game shape by hitting the sweet spot on minutes without actually training specifically that?

It s funny, most of my guys are older to help with being competitive, however I have a couple of younger guys I hope to get trained up. Is there really specific things too look for/ against in a potential trainee? some real no no's?

sorry one more thing , for now. Do the number levels for Staff, correspond to the Basic - World-renowned? are at my level who would be acceptable?

D.

From: Mr J

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Date: 5/22/2012 9:30:01 AM
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well mate, it really depends on how much effort you put into the game.

If you CT i can see it being within 30. If you TIE it could be upwards of 40



Ouch! lol

@Skyhookz...good win tonight.

EDIT: Ok, Bainsy, I didn't check your lineup out either...still...a win is a win...Good luck in your Cup game.



Last edited by Mr J at 5/22/2012 9:32:45 AM

From: MrGoodKat

To: Mr J
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Date: 5/22/2012 9:41:06 AM
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all good mate. a well deserved win for the lazy man.

if i fail to win my cup game i will be a very disappointed human.

if i thought it through properly i should have put my crap lineup in against the Suns in game 1... oh well, we learn from our mistakes

Garrie Addison (18085302). The G-Adder striking blows since season 15
From: Mr J

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Date: 5/22/2012 9:47:47 AM
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I must admit that now I'm finished tanking and actually going for it I'm a bit rusty with organising my lineups to optimise minutes. Just as well I have a winnable Cup game first up...providing he doesn't buy up in the next couple of days. Either way, it's much more fun winning than tanking.

Hell, tonight I trialled a LI offense to give the big boys a run to see how they would go. They did okay the problem is my big backups are defenders, not scorers. So, being 20+ up at three quarter time should have become a 35 point win but the backups came on in a LI offense and...well, they didn't score...much! lol A 20 point win was okay though.

Looking forward to to playing agaisnt you and Skyhookz in the South this season. Should be some good, close games.

From: Skyhookz

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Date: 5/22/2012 10:12:18 AM
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if you get your minutes right, players gameshape can improve to proficient, and at that gameshape, he will perform a whole lot better than at respectable.

training to me is the most fun part of the game.. i have been training a french player for 3 seasons, and hope this season he makes the u21 national team!

things to look for...

AGE : the younger a player is, the better he will train.. so start your training when they are 18 to maximize their development
POTENTIAL : potential determines how good a player can become.. a player with HALL OF FAME potential, can go onto earn huge salaries 300k+ per week if trained right, where a guy with all star might reach his maximum at $60k per week..
STARTING SKILLS : you want trainees with good starting skills in their primary stats.. try and look for players with no less than mediocre in their primary skills, as if they are inept, you will spend a whole season training that skill. respectable is a good starting stat....
HEIGHT : Height doesnt have any impact on the game, but has a major impact on training.. Basically shorter players train primary guard skills quicker, and taller players train primary Forward/Center skills quicker.. So for guard training, stick to 6'2-6'3 or shorter to maximize training, and 6'11 or taller for bigs..
POSITION : start by training either guards, or bigs.. Small forwards/Power forwards are tough, leave them for when you have a better understanding for how training works.

So looking at your roster, you have 3 guys 20 or younger. I would suggest none of these guys are worth training.. the 2 19 year olds potential is to low, and Gustaw Gorczyca is 20 and untrained (he could have been a beast if started training at 18)... you can start training him, but in 2-3 seasons, any 18 year old you start training now would have eclipsed him.

Training : to get the maximum benefit of training, you want your trainees to get 48 mins + per week game time, at the position your training.. If you are training PASSING for PG only, the player MUST play at PG to get training that week. So minimum you want 3 trainees (3 x 48 min games per week) and if you are dual position training, such as Jumpshot, 6 trainees maximum.

STAFF : the staff is totally dependant on you and what you can afford..

FITNESS TRAINER : ADVANCED (or lvl 4) is considered good value for money.. you want starting salary to be as low as possible, under 14k, and you can pick these guys up on the market for under 20k.. the fitness specialty is nice as it reduces players chances to drop stamina, but you pay more for this... If you are just training game shape, go for the standard basic trainer, as there is no benefit to game shape pased on level.

DOCTOR : its always contentious... You dont wanna pay em, until someone gets hurt.. i have competent at the moment, again go as cheap a salary as you can..

PR GUY : gives boosts to merchandis, ticket sales etc... again i wouldnt go higher than competent or advanced and as cheap as possible..

To sum it all up, if you are training players, your trainer is your most important staff member... keep the costs down as low as you can, but remember competition is usually stiff for cheap quality staff.. for example, a lvle 5 trainer under 15k salary can cost over 400k...

also check the HELP forums, plenty of great info in there! but, feel free to ask here as well!


Last edited by Skyhookz at 5/22/2012 10:13:35 AM

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Date: 5/22/2012 10:34:54 AM
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Great work Skyhookz, nice to see you mentoring a new player especially one from Surrey Hills. My parents both grew up there.

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Date: 5/22/2012 10:41:35 AM
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thx yoda.. feel free to pull me up tho if you see something not quite right!

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