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you are comparing guys with VERY good secondaries to guys with ONLY primaries. I think this is senseless because nobody who reads the forum is training only primaries.

rather you should compare a trainee (PF/C potential 7-8, height 6'8'' or sth, 5-6 seasons training, because i guess this is how the majority of trainees esp. for beginners looks like)

should he rather look like this:

12 / 8
10 /12
14/10
13/13
13/10

or like this

8 / 4
8 / 8
10 / 8
15 /15
15/ 10

well I guess my question isn't so smart, because in this case we compare a good C against a very efficient PF. but what i wanted to say is, that you have to find a good relation between secondaries and pimaries and not go over the top.

Except that you're using a build with 8 PA and HA as the *low* point in the comparison. I know I just did a search on the TL for giggles for a minimum rebounding of sensational and there are more guys with exactly 1 in both HA and PA than there are with at least 8 in both.

I think there are plenty of people that read the forums that are still churning out the same three-skilled donkeys that litter the TL, whether it be for NT/U21 reasons or ignorance or whatever else. If everyone was getting their secondaries to maybe 6 and this thread was pushing for them all to be double digits, of course, that's a different discussion, but I think wolph's efforts here are dead accurate. There's simply a whole pile of crap players on the TL at any given time because they have been turned into crap by people who are training them like crap. ;)

Last edited by GM-hrudey at 2/13/2013 11:31:47 AM

HHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Prove it. LVL 4 trainer, primaries ONLY training, 2.5 million in revenue from the 3 trainees. Subtract what the players could ahve been sold for (were bought for) BEFORE you started training them, subtracct cost of trainer for 2 seasons. Now IF they sold for 2.5 million...might work out for you...I almost spit out my beer when I saw you bost though you could sell a player that got primary training for 1million after 2 seasons....maybe if he cost you 1.5 million when you got him at like 22, and just dropped to 1 million after you broke him with your bad training plan.

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/team/98134/transferhistory.as...
mustak u-21 player with 19/20 years-sold for 1M only(due to nature of my job i never know when i will be able to come online so i sold him to croatian guy)+he had injury,2 weeks before i got employed i had 1,5m offer for him but i said no.
bogunovic 500k trained primaries only,sold after 2/3 of season.
there is pure example of training for my u-21 NT and making profit WITH lvl 4 trainer :)
now please next time before u write a post please think what are u writing and go search at least my transfer history.
if u want more examples i will gladly give them to you.u know whole croatian u-21 NT is build with lvl 4-5 trainers?
well i guess japan NT is on such awsome results when their 1st ranked player thinks this way but who cares about NT right :)
oh and srsly next time when u start counting go hit yourself maybe than a miricle can happen and u will understand what im talking about since i guess u are the only person on bb that doesnt understand that u can win a d3- games with primaries only but like ive said before thats because uve never played in d3- league.and just for the record,what do u think how did players looked like when bb started?u really think that somebody bothered to train secondaries?
and just for the record,i said anything about farms? u do know that croatian NT lost starting PG cause we dont have any? i guess u didnt know that.
again i proved everything ive said and all u do is shouting on the moon without any real example.
actually after ive red your post once again im 99% that all u have done ever is training ST/FT/GS

EDIT:prices on TL are something i really dont want to discuss as u can find really whatever u want on TL-do u want to pay is the question.

Last edited by LooKA at 2/13/2013 1:36:05 PM

wolph said u cant train with lvl4 coach for profit,i proved it wrong.
u are forgeting about merch money,its not big but it covers the trainer when u have a guy in u-21 NT.i do agree that if u are training a guy for your team that u need secondaries but u are not selling that guy.
and if u are pointing on me stagnating in d3,i can buy a roster that will dominate d3 and stay alive in d2 without problems,but thats just not my priority,why?my economy balance and my gym are not big enough to win in d2 so why would i even bother promoting and fighting to stay in d2 when i can save money and be patient(nobody wants to pay relegation penalty right)

From the experience i have with u21 players the merch bonus is not much to write home about. A few k at most is what i have noticed on my two own drafted players when playing in the u21.

its not much but it can cover the coaches salary

I dont know but 18k seats seems more then enough for D.2 to me. Even 19k is good enough to play in D.2 if you make sure to set your prices right and keep on adding seats while there.
A promotion sure seems like it would bring in more cash then sitting on a relegation spot in D.2. I dont know how tough your D.3 league is and what type of players you'd need but D.2 sure brings in a lot more cash then D.3. Just for an example: Typical Weekly Net Income: $ 242 957.

my gym got finished 2 days ago ;)
my plan is to go up for 2 seasons,maybe next but i dont really like that option as div 2 here is where people are most active and its more competitive than our div 1 :)

my point or my question was if and how much primaries should suffer to train secondaries (see primaries 13 vs. 15)

well i guess japan NT is on such awsome results when their 1st ranked player thinks this way but who cares about NT right
oh and srsly next time when u start counting go hit yourself maybe than a miricle can happen and u will understand what im talking about since i guess u are the only person on bb that doesnt understand that u can win a d3- games with primaries only but like ive said before thats because uve never played in d3- league.and just for the record,what do u think how did players looked like when bb started?u really think that somebody bothered to train secondaries?
and just for the record,i said anything about farms? u do know that croatian NT lost starting PG cause we dont have any? i guess u didnt know that.
again i proved everything ive said and all u do is shouting on the moon without any real example.
actually after ive red your post once again im 99% that all u have done ever is training ST/FT/GS

You're outta line bub.

But on your post: sure, you can win with primary-heavy players... but it would be a ridiculous situation to try and assert that you're better off doing so: either effect/financially-wise.
Long term, even in lower divisions, Wolph is absolutely right. Any lower division team is far better off sacrificing "winning now" for training a well-balanced player. The wins will come, and at a far more financially viable price if a player is well-trained. Add to that, you can get better performances from lower potential players - and get better financial gains should you choose to sell them.
This really isn't "opinion". This is... "fact".

That depends upon potential, and age. Not necessarily at all... if the potential's high enough and the age low enough.

Last edited by malice at 2/13/2013 6:46:36 PM