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You created a thread. You're not talking to only one guy. And you're trash talking everyone else, loudly and arrogantly proclaiming your team's superiority with little to support it. You're obviously looking for confrontation and discussion; if you didn't want us to know your opinions you wouldn't have bothered to write a post. And frankly, you should have expected some backlash when you post something controversial. I'm a Boston fan living in Pittsburgh, proud fan of the Celtics (which no one in Pittsburgh minds) but also the Bruins and Patriots, which gets me tons and tons of crap. So I know when I open my mouth about my team, I expect that I'll hear it from my friends and from those around me. The Heat are not a well-liked team; you know people are going to speak up in opposition when you loudly proclaim their greatness. If you can't handle that, then you should have kept your oversized mouth shut.

And you're welcome for my time; really, though, I could tell from reading your poorly written, uninformed comments that you were a complete homer who wasn't interested in having a discussion. Since you also talked about playing 2k13 in another thread, I assume this is because you are a bored teenager who isn't mature enough to be having serious, thoughtful conversations especially with strangers on online forums. So my comment was written more to the other people in this thread than to you, to spark up actual discussion. I don't consider my time wasted any more than you consider your time wasted when you're playing video games all day (a habit which likely hurts your academic performance and long-term prospects far more than my writing a single post does).

See, this is why us Floridians can't have nice things, because of people like you. Although I can say that I like it here in Miami, my favorite team is actually the Cavs. Gotta love an underdog.

Last edited by TragicBronson at 8/12/2013 8:26:58 PM

If I could +1 you 20 times for that, I would

Look who's talking about oversized mouth lol #hypercritic this is how much i care about your posts.
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I just stated an opinion of mines didn't mean to bring this whole discussion and what so serious about it??? WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT BASKETBALL. Then you have to put this long post about the nba blah blah blah i believe the heat could a a 6peat ain't nobody care about your last season stats its a new season the real deal.
U know what ill respond to that long comment of yours lets go. Cold hard facts will be handed down.

Last edited by Fruity_Cakes at 8/12/2013 9:47:56 PM

We are just talking about basketball. Yes. Why so serious? If we like something, shouldn't we be willing to put a little effort and thought into it? I had the time, I wrote a response. I don't see this is fanatical or anything.

I admit I may have been a little harsh (you did insult me and condescendingly dismiss my post, which upset me a little) but that does not make my mouth oversized. The difference between you and me is that I can support everything I said with reasons and facts, something that I don't think you can say. By the way, you misspelled "hypocritic[al]" in your hashtag. It's sad but hilarious how some people are so sensitive to having their intelligence questioned, but when they respond they prove their critics right. Like they say, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Words to live by for some of us, I guess.

Spurs more talent than the heat???? Nope nope nope. Ginobli & Duncan old Parker is at wades age and wade is still better.
Green better than any of the heat shooters?? Thats 1 thing i cant handle with u *****es he does good in the finals and then considered a great shooter even though he is one hes not better than THE BEST ALL TIME pay attention yo.
The heat young talent i can but still they have some young talent coming. Cole Chalmers Ennis Oden Kabong or whatever his name is.
Heat total ages :436
Spurs total ages: 463
I added all up check for yourself tell me whose the older team???

When did i say anything bad about Paul George or Roy Hibbert? Granger will not be the same Stephenson is a little kid who thinks he owns the NBA messing with the #1 player ( Thats why Dexter Pitman knocked him out :) ) And remember thats 3 YEARS LATER. The heat have a bunch of time to get younger players with cap space.

Durant the greatest SF in the game??? AAHAHAHAHA! Very funny not like it matters but a year back the "greatest SF ever" went crying to his mommy when he lost! hahaha. Really honestly you keep talkign about age age age who cares??? Kobe is still playing great at his age vyou cant predict the future man by the time KD is LBJ age LBJ might be better. Just like when Kobe was LBJ age he was better but now LBJ is better.

Wade is better than Parker? False. Parker was playing at an unreal level last season before getting hurt, probably an MVP level if not for Lebron. Wade's athleticism was noticeably diminished, he wasn't nearly as effective driving to the basket and teams completely disrespected his jump shot (for good reason, I might add). His scoring numbers were down and a much higher proportion of his baskets were assisted. And all of this was made even more clear during the playoffs.

Not sure what site or what roster you did to do your "math" but I'm pretty sure you're misrepresenting the situation (for starters, counting draft picks the Spurs currently have 17 players on their roster and the Heat have 16, not sure if you accounted for that but it doesn't look like it). I only considered players not likely to be on next season roster (e.g. no T-Mac for Spurs or Juwan Howard for the Heat). But I think it's pretty clear there's something off about your numbers. The Spurs have several important players in their early to mid 20s (Joseph, Leonard are the best examples). Heat players of similar age...Cole. That's it.

Chalmers is 27; I think we already know pretty much about how good he'll be. I explained why I don't consider Oden to be a rising young talent. Ennis is unsigned and no guarantee to make the roster, just a guy who impressed in summer league; if we consider him for the Heat then we would have to consider Deshaun Thomas for the Spurs, and he's two years younger. That would skew things more in the Spurs' favor. Same with Kabongo (unsigned, undrafted FA) and Jean-Charles (Spurs' first-round pick, also two years younger).

The fact that you're excited about Dexter Pittman knocking somebody out shows your moral values are seriously skewed. Ultimately, basketball is a game; a very high-stakes competition that is designed to get fans to cheer for something more than themselves, yes, but not ever worth risking harm to anyone else for. I never said you said anything bad about George or Hibbert, but I was mentioning that they were players on the rise.

Time does not give you the chance to get younger players. The Heat have no cap space for legitimately talented younger players unless they break up the big three. The only way they could get it otherwise is on rookie deals through the draft, and since they have low picks that they trade away that won't happen either.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but are you retarded or did your mother seriously not teach you how to read? You are completely misrepresenting everything I said. I can only assume your attention span is not long enough for you to finish reading my sentences.

-I said Durant is the greatest SF in the game NOT NAMED LEBRON JAMES, which I don't think anyone will argue.
-I said Green is a better player than any of the Heat shooters. I said Ray Allen was a better shooter but a much worse defender at his age, who can argue that? Remember, I am a Celtics fan; I've seen Ray Allen hit many more clutch shots for us than he's ever hit for you. I have the utmost respect for his pure shooting and I would never say Green is a better shooter. But to say Green is a better overall player because of his superior defensive abilities is different.

dis opinion

overall, turtle is actually right

who cares about added ages, its about the PLAYERS

Yes, Duncan Parker and Ginobili are old, BUT they have a new generation of players including Leonard, Green, and other players overseas.

Myke Kabongo isn't nearly as good. And I watched UT games. Yes, he could learn but I don't think he's anything special

Thunder is really young. Lamb, Adams, PJ3, even Westbrook Durant and Ibaka are young. WHO will be deeper in lets say, 2-3 seasons? imo the Thunder, because by then, the young players i mentioned will eventually be starting/role playing for the Thunder while Westbrook and Durant will be in their prime. While Wade's knees will just deteriorate (age+the way his knees are now) and Bosh may not even be as good player as of now. Also, may i say Lebron could not be in his prime anymore? Because by then he'll HAVE to carry the Heat like he did with the Cavaliers.

If you wanna go into adding stuff up then we could add up young talent

Oden is a bust, so I'm not counting him. Heat have: 2
Thunder: 4
Spurs: 3

So those are facts

btw, +1 to turtle and cyclone

also, before you reply Fruity Cakes, it may be worth while to actually look up teams rosters/age and their stats; just saying

>fruity cakes "cold hard facts"

The thing about the Spurm's youth, is that they are only good players. None of them are Superstars, thats why, the spurm are considered older then the Heat. The spurm's Superstars are all over the hill. And there is a huge difference between Wade and pecker. (I don't even like Wade) pecker is a better passing PG. Wade is a far superior perimeter defender. Neither can shoot, but they can both get to the hole.

The Thunder have the 2nd best player in Westbrook. If he can smooth out his 3 ball, they could challenge the Heat. Durant, just doesn't get after enough on the D end to be considered the 2nd best player, in the league, let alone even his team. You saw what happened, when he had to lead them..... Ibaka's made great strides on his Jumper, now he needs to work on his inside game, otherwise, it still be the same result against this Heat roster.

The thing you guys are missing, which is why I don't count the Bulls as a threat, is the Heat have another notch, they ratchet up to, no one else can match that level play. The Bulls play the same in the regular season as in the post season, they can't go up that level, that is needed.

Personally, everyone is saying how the Pacers or the spurm let the Heat get away from them. From what I've seen, the Heat play down to their opponent, not the other way around. shrug.

Facts? Lets talk about facts

27 wins in a row.
Haven't lost consecutive games Since mid January.
back to back to back Finals appearances.
75% of the Heats post season wins this season were by double digits

Oh yeah, and they still have the best player on the planet by a mile. The 2nd best player isn't really that close.

When you say "Spurm" and "Pecker" are those meant to be insults? Because you're really just making yourself look stupid. If you haven't realized, the Spurs gave the Heat a serious run for their money in the Finals. Sure, they lost, but it was in a close 7 game series, and the Spurs have only gotten better this offseason. And when you say they don't have any superstars, have you not looked at Tony Parker's stats? He had one of the best seasons of his career, averaging 20 PPG and 7.6 APG, both very close to his career highs. Not to mention that Duncan and Ginobili haven't really slowed down, like Wade did in the playoffs.

The Thunder have 2 of the best players in the league in Durant and Westbrook. I'm not going to rank them because it's about the team's performance, not the players. However, saying that Westbrook is better than Durant simply isn't true. Durant lost without Westbrook in the playoffs against a very good Grizzlies team, but Westbrook would have too if Durant had been injured. The fact of the matter is, the Thunder would have gone to at least the Conference Finals and possibly the Finals if Westbrook had been healthy.

Any team in the NBA Playoffs can play at an elite level. It's just an issue of talent whether or not it can be enough to beat other teams with more talent.

So you're basically saying that the Heat are superior to everybody else in the league? In response to your facts:

That 27 win streak had a lot of games against easy opponents.
A lot of good teams are capable of doing that. It's just a matter of which teams you get matched up against and when.
The East really isn't that competitive compared to the West, so it's a lot easier to get to the Finals.
The margin of the win doesn't matter, all that matters is that they won. Sure, they won 75% of their Playoff wins by at least 10, but I'd be more concerned that they won that percentage of their playoff games than worry about the margin of victory.

One player can't do it all by himself, he needs supporting pieces to help him out.

usually calls em spurm, idk bout the "Pecker" quote tho