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1M initial investment + 15k each week for 6 season equals
1M initial investment + 1,35M weekly maintenance for 6 seasons equals
2,35M invested for 8 pops each player in 6 seasons, that's paying 261.1k for each crosstraining pop for your utopian team
Of course if it's 2 players a season you halve the cost to 130.5k each pop, which is still a lot of money

As Phoenix said, the initial investment cost is 500k, when training is finished I will take back 500k. The total cost till now is 500k + 1,35M = 1.85M for 25 CT pops, 74k per CT pop. But without a gym I could also have 5-6 CT pops, nobody knows how many exactly. It is not easy to measure the cost of each CT pop because we dont know exactly what the gym gives.

Which to me is still a lot of money just for SB/RB pops...

I had 3/25 SB pops in Utopia and 3/18 RB pops in my greek team, so it is not just SB-RB pops. To be precise, in Utopia

JS 1
JR 4
OD 2
HA -
DR -
PS 6
IS 2
ID 3
RB 4
SB 3

In my greek team

JS 1
JR 3
OD 1
HA -
DR 1
PS 6
IS -
ID 2
RB 3
SB 1

I trained a lot of 1on1 Fws, that can explain why I had not pops in HA-DR. But as you can see, the CT pops are pretty balanced.

Question : Why not buy a player with a decent level let's say mediocre in RB or SB and then just spend 8 weeks from 18y to 21y on these skills to achieve the same effect?
With how trainers are nowadays you will still be able to finish this player training until 28y/29y and you'll have an extra 2M+ to invest in many more important things

It depends on your goals. My goal is to build 155+TSP players asap. Not just for the greek NT, it is also for me. I want to win more titles and compete for the BBB. To be competitive at that level you need some unique players which are really expensive to buy. My trainees will be good enough to win titles at the age of 26, that gives me more time to take more trophies!

Last edited by str77 at 4/22/2022 7:55:13 AM

Do you count as CT pops if they improve inside shot or jump shot in 1 on 1 forwards training?

No, I know that 1on1 Fws trains JS and IS. These CT pops came with pass and pressure training

So, after reading this thread in its entirety, my question is, for my PG and SG, is any training in the Big attributes, IS, ID, RB and SB, kind of considered a waste? I have a couple 6'4" guards who I was considering trading in IS or ID. But I imagine if I pop in those I'll eventually get pops in rebounds too. Is that considered an overall loss for guards? I also have an inside oriented team, I play a lot of inside offenses, so I thought why not train my guards in a little inside skills? After reading this thread I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe I should just keep on focusing on guard skills? Thoughts? Thanks.

I respect all managers, building NT-players and/or playing in their nations first devisions. Still its a minority.

I, myself have a player, who will cap soon (Kröpfl (48532724)) far away from the build i originally intended.
Still i am proud of every skillup of my (future) Franchise Player and would build the lvl3gym again and again.

In my opinion - if you build a Team - every skill is usefull.
e.g. if i have a (offensive-)rebounding guard, i need 1 or 2 lvls less rebounding for my frontcourt and can spend the money in extra IS or ID or SB...

I love the gym, for building (well rounded) players i could never afford to buy.

And: rebounding is a loved example, since its the only skill with cap-relevante for all positions.

My 2 cents

Last edited by Ted the Threat at 6/25/2022 5:02:44 PM

I've been training my guy (48164078) for the past 7 seasons with level 3 gym, I can provide some data. I had 6 Cross Training pops with him (2 PA, 1 ID, 1 JR, 1 SB and 1 RB). But I also noticed that the sublevels were pretty high when I started training a new skill, I can't remember how many times I got a pop in a skill in the first week training, and that I think is even more valuable than a pure Cross Training pop because it speeds up training a lot.

I think overall having the Level 3 gym sped up my traning in 1-2 seasons. Sure it can get unwanted pops in SB/RB, but you can plan for that having a trainee with low starting SB/RB anyways, but don't forget about the other pops and high sublevels.