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I like that. A national and world. Training for national, arcade for world. Prizes for both.

I like that. A national and world. Training for national, arcade for world. Prizes for both.

I said prizes for only one of the tournaments... However, I suppose you could make it so there are pretty good prizes for the top world tournament and much less for the lowest tournament.

Your proposal might seem fair to those already playing but if 2 new managers signed up tomorrow it would still not be fair.

Depends on what country they signed up in. The guy who signs up in Scotland might see it differently than the guy who signed up in Spain. This is the root of the problem, in my opinion. The road to success in a small country is considerably shorter than the road in the large.

i'm agreeing... and asking why other countries are being included on the BB map. If only a small intake is likely then I can only assume that this National tax is going to be drastic enough to try and combat the difference.

Still - it will sure suck to be a VII Spanish sign up if you could still be in the Pakistan top division - hence my suggestion of globalizing ALL teams.... thinking it thru is there a reason why your team could not be entered into National Comps at the same time as Global league. I imagine the programming nightmare would prevent such a smooth transition but imagine a season of 20-24 weeks and a new schedule be drawn up to accomodate the regular season as we know it today as well as involving all clubs in a Global league with their immediate peers.

If the complaints are that big teams in small countries are getting it easy (which I will agree and disagree with) then why are these teams not in favour of merging everyone to be on a level playing field? The answer is simple - they have established themselves on their respective ladder and have set out goals for their team to hit.. by merging the smaller nations in would only push them down the global ladder further and mean it take longer for them to achieve their goals.

If you are going to worry about the differences as they stand today I think it is wiser to argue the position of new teams yet to join BB (as to grow the game needs to be attractive to them) NOT so much the teams that are already long term addicts.

We've all accepted and accomodated for the differences of where we play vs other teams we might watch elsewhere. It is the next 10,000 sign ups which I would want to care most about. If 5,000 of those end up in Div 5 or below vs 100 that end up in a Div 1... with the paths as you say to success being somewhat different, resentment towards other new teams positions may cause managers to give up easier if they learn and agree with the current community viewpoint on the distribution.

the problem is that there is a global market in which there are countries with very different conditions of competitivity and of money that a team can easily make as well.I'm interesting only that in this market i can fight equally against teams of all over the world.If I'm in one of the greatest and competitives countries ,i cannot do it(except for germany,who made a "national choice" about arenas at the start of the game,and now have their great advantages).A player who a user of IV spanish division had to buy for a quality jump,coul be buy by a user who have the economic possibilities of a user of Iv spanish division,he cannot compete against a user of II division of a small countries which have more more incomes

Forget Germany and their so called uber Arenas... you have to go 22-0 to keep them full... take a look at the income Bulls & co get now after 1 or 2 defeats....

The arena formula tops out (is most efficient IMO) at @30,000 so dont go believing that 'National Choice' - Ha!!

When taxes go to 0 it will be possible to make $550-575k off a 30,000 arena.... or you could pump $5mil more and build 45,000 and lower prices and then still average the same when you finish 16-6 in regular season.

Going beyond 30-32,000 and lowering bleachers under $12 means you gotta win 99% of the time....

Now if National Cup games and BB3 gave full arena income.... different story altogether..... but when was the last time we saw an announcement that led to inflation????? ha ha ha ....

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 3/21/2009 7:10:33 AM

Yeah,I forgot Germany,they buy another kind of players,differente from players I need,but I'm worried about teams from other countries...

I don't understand why people keep complaining about how much money Germany teams have. If they had all that money, surely they would win the B3 every year? And how many German teams do we have left in this year? None - both of them have already been knocked out. And we're only a few rounds in.

There's a massive difference between having lots of money and being able to use it properly. If they can't compete on a world stage, let them have their big stadiums while everyone else actually has a chance at global glory.

(or at least a chance at 2nd place - damn that BC Torooo!)

If you are going to worry about the differences as they stand today I think it is wiser to argue the position of new teams yet to join BB (as to grow the game needs to be attractive to them) NOT so much the teams that are already long term addicts.

Merging everyone would solve the problem for only a few, and cause hardship for most of the rest. You are talking about a much bigger pyramid here, and though I have a good chance to promote to USA III this year, your solution sends me careening to the bottom of the pyramid, while players who have been able to take advantage of the easier growth in a smaller country now propel past 1000's of users from places like Spain, Italy, Poland, USA, etc.

Changes need to be made often in these types of games where there is an imbalance or eventually the imbalance will keep the game from growing. If we saw that over time the imbalance between being a new user in Spain vs a new user in Scotland slowly leveled out, there would be no need for change, time would fix the problem. In this case, I think the gap caused by the imbalance is widening with time.

Any solution will anger some people, but that doesnt mean we should avoid a solution and keep the problem either. Perhaps if the bonus money for promoting to a higher division or winning your series were scaled from the bottom up instead of the top down it would be more fair and balanced. You should get more money for going from a Div II to Div I in Italy than you should for doing the same in Japan......no offense, but I think we can agree that it is a tougher acheivement.

I don't understand why people keep complaining about how much money Germany teams have. If they had all that money, surely they would win the B3 every year? And how many German teams do we have left in this year? None - both of them have already been knocked out. And we're only a few rounds in.

Because if everyone start in the same condition,there will win the best(and luckiest :D )managers in BB;nowadays there are users which have more advantages than others,and Germany is taken as example because Germanian teams are in the limit situation,they have both great competition and a decent way to make money;but if a team of a weaker country took the good example of stronger germanian teams,it have great advantages over a new italian,spanish and also germanian new user,which had to fight since the beginning of their adventures in BB,without looking only at building great arenas in the first period

Ok, this is a rant about several subjects mentioned in the whole thread. Just have to get it out. ..from the top of my head:

Basketball is not a great public sport in Norway. Hardly anyone have an interest in it, unfortunatly. Few have the insight to understand the game, and I think it would be hard to get users form Norway if we were to start in a global division system. Mostly one compare to the teams from the same country and BBB is in my eyes more a curiosity and fun sidegame than THE ONE thing to rank your team from. We DO have an advantage in that we can fairly easy get good players from other countries, but we have to if we were to get the edge. The few managers we do have spend a lot of time to learn the game, and in a matter of seasons the competitive level would be leveled to an international level. Still we have fewer divisions and have a shorter way up the ladder. But the difference on a Div II and new Div III team are huge. The motivation to climb one division every few seasons are not possible for us. I have changed my view on the tax on international players, and welcome it, since it is a little bit unfair that we can get a f.ex Italian superstar very cheap in comparison to what we have to pay for a national player of the same potential. But bear in mind that I would rather train a national player than someone from other countries. I don't know how many that care about their National Team, but many players from big countries get premium training in small countries, because we have the financial possibility for it. Economics were a drain for me for several seasons and I had to train to sell just to go even before I started putting some money in arena. This season I have cut down on my players, no scouting, cheap staff, only to save money if I ever go to the top division. Because of the big difference I have to change my whole team to have the remotest change to ever stay there. So, we do earn more, but we must also spend more, and have a harder time to set longtime strategies than a more stable country.