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10510.3 in reply to 10510.2
Date: 12/22/2007 11:50:55 AM
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And Form training.

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10510.4 in reply to 10510.3
Date: 12/23/2007 2:46:33 AM
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Im assuming thats team training?

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10510.5 in reply to 10510.4
Date: 12/23/2007 4:43:02 AM
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Yes,
Team Training --> Form.

Personally I think it's a waste of training, but it can be helpful if you have a star player coming off of an injury in really bad form, and you need him ready for a big game. Otherwise, form will naturally improve with playing time.

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10510.6 in reply to 10510.5
Date: 12/26/2007 4:05:30 PM
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yes, but the bad part is that if you have similar players in skill, but 1 is in bad form and the others are not, that the bad form player won't see much playing time, not even if you put him as starter, so he won't get a chance to recover his form.

(there might be tricks like leaving subs off the bench so he HAS to play, but that is not the normal way of playing. What I said goes up if you do set subs and reserve players in your scheme)

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10510.7 in reply to 10510.6
Date: 12/27/2007 12:33:42 AM
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There are tricks. If I have a player in lousy form (normally a new transfer), I'll put him as a sub in both league games, then start him in my scrimmage with no backup or reserves. Within a week or two (the time depending on how low his form was to begin with), his form is up to the level of my starters.

So yes, there are ways to get form up naturally without using team training. I'm more interested in training player skills, so I use the playing time trick rather than miss out on a week of skill training for my big men.

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10510.8 in reply to 10510.7
Date: 12/27/2007 10:32:29 AM
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as I said... you need tricks.

as long as the player you talk about is not playing on a training position it's good, if you need players you want to train away from the courtside, it hurts.

I tried the same thing as you for the league games, he got 5 minutes total playtime from that.
I think it would be best to just put him in the scrimmage with no back ups and reserves, as you said, and make sure you choose follow dept chart, because in my case my coach decided to have an other player play for him, even if he was not his sub, nor his reserve...
Taking only 5 players to a game is not only too risky for me, it denies some players training time...

But I think we agree that if you play 'normal' without using tricks, it takes about 1/2 season at least to get someone from atrocious to respectable, given he's good. If the player has'nt realy got better skills than the other player for his position, I doubt if he ever could recover.
I had a player I had to use tricks on or he wouldn't get any minutes, not even when I put him in the line-up 3 matches a week.

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10510.9 in reply to 10510.7
Date: 12/28/2007 3:05:16 AM
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yes but in my case, almost all my players have bad form and not just the one.

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10510.10 in reply to 10510.9
Date: 12/28/2007 10:11:08 AM
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then it might not be so bad to spend 1 week on Form training, unless you don't need it for your next win or two, then you can wait for them te get into shape by themselves by giving them enough minutes.

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10510.11 in reply to 10510.9
Date: 12/28/2007 3:05:49 PM
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yes but in my case, almost all my players have bad form and not just the one.

I see now that I replied to you without bothering to check out your team.

The whole reason your players are in bad form is because you only have 10 players and they all play 3 games a week, so they are too tired to be in good game shape. If your players play 80-90+ minutes per week their form will suffer, and your team is a prime example.

You have a few options:
1. Buy at least 2 more players. This will help spread out the amount of minutes each of your players plays each week, and could help their form recover almost immediately. These players could also come in handy when injuries happen to your current roster.
2. You could stop playing scrimmages, thereby reducing the amount of playing time each player spends on the court each week. However, this could hurt your training.
3. You can train form almost every week. Your players will improve in game shape (i think), but your team likely will never get much better than it is right now.

That's all I can think of now, hopefully that gives you some better information (although someone else may be able to think of more options).

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10510.12 in reply to 10510.11
Date: 12/29/2007 11:26:27 PM
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2. You could stop playing scrimmages, thereby reducing the amount of playing time each player spends on the court each week. However, this could hurt your training.


by the way, how many minutes do the players need to play to gain maximum training?

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