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Thanks for replying, but
1)That doesn't really answer either of my questions.
2)I agree about Andrea, but he is only my #6 trainee, and I don't have much money to spend.

From what I can see Stamina is the big factor here. Especially when you play these players 48 minutes a game. Jordi might be better on paper but with only average stamina, he will get tired. Andrea's proficient stamina lets him play a lot longer without getting tired. So when Jordi gets tired, his performance suffers.

Couple of things it could be.

1. Matchups, Player A may be facing tougher opponents. Looking at the game ratings for OD won't necessarily give u a true indication because your opponent could have a gun SG or a weak SG which affects the rating.

2. The randomness of the game engine. Say 2 teams match up with the exact same tactics, players etc its highly unlikely u will get the exact same result from in the second game. Like in real life a player could just have a bad shooting night.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

So the possibilities are:

1) Match-ups: Jordi is playing against better teams with better defense.
Because of Jordi's poor play, I usually play Jordi against weaker teams or in scrimmages and I play Andrea in tougher games. I am considering switching that, because of Andrea's awful OD, but Jordi's shooting is making me reluctant to do so. Also, Jordi's game ratings have always been 5.0 and 5.5, which are low for my players. (Andrea has gone up to 7.5, and is usually around 7.0). The game where Jordi went 2-20 was a scrimmage against a team with starting guards with salaries under 4k.

2) Lineup: It depends on their teammates for that game.
Recently, I have been switching up the lineups. Before, when Andrea played, I usually played my two best scorers at SG and SF (again, this is run and gun). When Jordi played, I still played my best two scorers, with one at SG or SF and the other at SF or PF. This "Lineup" theory could be true, because Jordi plays with people with bad passing, but so does Andrea. And as I said earlier, most of the shots I see them take are not off a pass.

3) Handling
If the player holds on to the ball until the end of the shotclock, that means he has to fire off a tougher shot right? So wouldn't that mean Andrea would have to take more tougher shots and have a lower FG%? And I would think Jordi's stronger driving would balance the handling difference, because driving helps create their own shots. Plus, both of their turnovers have been low (1.6 per 48 min for Andrea, 2.0 per 48 min. for Jordi).

4) Sublevels
Even if Andrea's skills were high sublevel and Jordi's were low sublevel, Jordi's skills are still better than Andrea's.

5)Stamina
This seems more likely than the previous possibilities. However, it doesn't explain Jordi's 2-20 FG, 0-7 3 PT game. Stamina only comes into effect later in the game doesn't it? And Jordi only had 1 TO and 2 PF in that game playing point guard, so it doesn't look like he was that tired. I went back and viewed the game. In the first quarter, Jordi was 0-5 from the field. In fact, for the first 17 min, he was 0-8. In another game I looked at, he was 0-3 in the 1st Q and 3-13 in the first half. He then went 1-3 in the 3rd and 3-6 in the 4th, so the 4th Q was actually his best. (I didn't bother to look at any other games.)

6) Randomness
This seems to be the most likely theory. However it is the most unsatisfying one, because there is nothing I can do about it (or is there?). Anyway, I still have arguments against this theory. Sometimes players have bad games, sometimes good games. But Jordi has yet to have a good game when you look at his rating, FG%, or 3PT%. His highest rating in a game is 5.5, highest FG% is .321 (9-28), highest 3PT is .25 (1-4). On the other hand, Andrea's lowest rating is 5.0 (happened once), lowest FG is .313 (highest 18-28), lowest 3PT 0-5 (highest 8-12). And Jordi's JR has always been two levels higher than Andrea's. (They both popped at the same time.)
Randomness should balance out in several games shouldnt it? As I said before:
In regular season games:
Andrea's shooting: 55-123 (.447), 28.4 ppg, 3 PT: 18-46 (.391)
Jordi's shooting: 16-50 (.320), 17.5 ppg, 3 PT: 3-17 (.176)
Counting cup and scrimmages:
Andrea: 9-19 (.474), 20 ppg, 3 PT: 0-5
Jordi: 5 - 33 (.151), 8 ppg, 3 PT: 1-8 (.125)

That is not evened out at all...

7) Bad luck
Here's my suggestion: bad luck.

So in conclusion, I will go with a mix of everything. Bad luck, randomness, game engine's discrimination against Spanish players, Italian refs and scorekeepers, handling, stamina, matchups, lineups, and more bad luck.

P.S. I may consider playing Jordi and Andrea in the same game rotating positions to see what happens.
P.P.S. They are my only two PG, so I might not (maybe scrimmage).

Last edited by j9s3 at 8/3/2010 12:06:11 AM

It seems like Jordi finally got some good luck. Playing against the toughest opponent in the league:

The Rebels MIN FG 3FG FT OR TR AST TO STL BLK PF PTS Rating
PG J. Fabregà 48 16 - 26 6 - 9 7 - 8 2 9 10 1 3 1 1 45 7.5

Granted, I used CT and motion for this game. But I still don't understand why my PG always takes so many shots. I prefer to have my SG and SF shoot more.

Last edited by j9s3 at 8/3/2010 9:58:00 PM

A similar thing happens with my team when I play this young trainee of mine at PG (14818791). In one game where I played run and gun he kept firing up and making shots even though he was some 7-8 levels worse at JR and JS than my SG and SF - on top of that he is a good passer so I thought it very strange also. The only explanation I came up with was his atrocious experience - maybe the idea is young PGs get excited at being told to play that run and gun style and forget about their playmaking job completely.

Well, probably the opposite PG had weak defense and the kid was just shooting everytime he could to take advantadge.

Worse than awful? Whereas, like I mentioned before, my SG had many 8 levels higher shooting. And this was the opponent SG: (16267096) in a man to man defense.

As I said, the only reasonable explanation is the lack of experience of the PG.

Maybe he is a defensive especialist with like 9 on OD :p just kidding. It could be due to the lack of experience yes.

All of my players have atrocious experience except for one, who has pitiful (he's only 18). Does this mean that whatever player I play at point guard will just take the most shots (I use run and gun and motion), because that is what I have observed, even thought my PG is never my best shooter/scorer. And I'm not talking slightly more shots than SG and SF, but a lot more.