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I disagree with this. Your performance in the PL is affected by how your real life team is performing. If you buy and new player they can play in the PL. If you sell one he can't. If someone is injured he can't play in the PL. If you had to play people too many minutes say for an important cup game then gameshape will suffer both in your "real" league and the PL. Likewise if you need to make your team work 100% in a real game (crunch time)then they will also be a bit worn out for their PL game too.

The current rules are elegant, simple and perfect. Everything affects the PL, the PL affect nothing.

This is not logic, nor is it even a response; this is you reiterating what already exists. Proof by assertion has no place in a civil debate. Posts like this make me wonder whether people understand exactly what a discussion forum is.

It's a great idea, because it ensures that league strength is not a factor. When this affects the outcome of PLs, especially in the playoffs, it makes you wonder why you play the games in the first place.

Enthusiasm is different from injuries, game shape, etc. At least let the commissioner choose whether to let enthusiasm affect PL games, much like the commish currently chooses whether HCA is relevant or not.

An owner shouldn't have to choose which is more important, the PL or the regular league, when said owner is paying to be in the PL.

(For context, I'm in the same PL as the above posters, and Stajan will beat me on Friday due solely to enthusiasm being at play. Yet, we're both in favor of the option to normalize enthusiasm.)

Last edited by RiseandFire at 9/26/2010 7:55:07 PM

This is not logic, nor is it even a response

How is it not a response? I responded to your idea and said it was bad. Here, I will respond again, your new post is worse.

This is not logic...this is you reiterating what already exists

My logic is by reiterating what already exists I am showing that there is a consistent framework in which we can work. You are proposing an inconsistent framework. Which is more logical? Which is easier for new players?

It's a great idea, because it ensures that league strength is not a factor.

Surely you cannot believe that? So the worst team in a league can beat the best if they were playing in a PL? Unbelievable!

Enthusiasm is different from injuries, game shape, etc.

I guess this is an examlpe of your amazing command of logic. Yes enthusiasm is also different from Elephants. So what?

An owner shouldn't have to choose which is more important, the PL or the regular league

Why not? Is this an example of your superior logic? Isn't making choices one of the things that makes a game fun and a challenge? The player who is currently leading my PL said he made several sacrifices in his "real league" so that he could better his PL performance. This is a real choice and makes this game deeper.

An owner shouldn't have to choose which is more important, the PL or the regular league, when said owner is paying to be in the PL.

What does paying have to do with anything? Everyone in a private league is a supporter, so unless they won it in a competition, everyone is paying. Your amazing logic is implying that people who pay want less choices? I think that people who pay want more choices.

Two off topic comments:

1) I really miss being able to one ball posts.
2)

I'm in the same PL as the above posters, and Stajan will beat me on Friday due solely to enthusiasm being at play.

Go Stajan!

Last edited by yodabig at 9/26/2010 8:18:54 PM

I completely agree with allowing it to be an option set by the league commish. I want to see an equal playing line in private leagues. The rules aren't elegant right now. The only thing I agree on is that if a player is injured they can't play in a PL game.

If you don't like the idea Seagulls, than you can join a league where the old rules exist.. If this idea is implemented that is. Oh, and please stop trolling. You've stated your idea and we get it: you don't like it.

Last edited by Weather at 9/26/2010 8:41:02 PM

I disagree with this. Your performance in the PL is affected by how your real life team is performing. If you buy and new player they can play in the PL. If you sell one he can't. If someone is injured he can't play in the PL. If you had to play people too many minutes say for an important cup game then gameshape will suffer both in your "real" league and the PL. Likewise if you need to make your team work 100% in a real game (crunch time)then they will also be a bit worn out for their PL game too.

The current rules are elegant, simple and perfect. Everything affects the PL, the PL affect nothing.

Ok. I completely disagree with you, but ok. Either way, adding an option to set enthusiasm (much like the option to play at a neutral site), or an option to keep it how it is changes nothing, but allows people to set up their PL how they'd like it to be.

Let's face it. The supporters are paying for this game because we enjoy it and we want to see it thrive. We receive nothing in return that gives a competitive advantage, but gain access to auxiliary things that increase enjoyment. I fail to see how adding more options to Private Leagues so people can tailor their experience is a bad thing.

Last edited by loldots at 9/26/2010 8:55:48 PM

I guess I can agree with it as an option. I don't like it. I think it is adding confusion for no good reason. However I am in favour of options so maybe a simple choice when creating a PL would be "Ignore Enthusiasm". You are correct.

PS: Does anyone besides me think it is logical that the poster I replied to earlier has a cock as his logo?

I agree with this suggestion. +85.

Additionally, in my humble opinion, I think it's even more important to have the aforementioned 'set gameshapes' as an option for PLs. Ideally I'd love to have both (enthusiasm and gameshapes) as options for PLs and there isn't a single good reason out there for why we can't (unless it's something trivial such as programming time/cost?!) and this should be added ASAP before the new season starts. With that said though, I definitely feel having set gameshapes (say, proficient) for every player in the PL is more important to have as an option when creating private leagues than enthusiasm, simply because you can still control whether or not you want to go take it easy or crunch time in league games, but game shapes are somewhat random and uncontrollable and shouldn't alter outcomes of games in private leagues if the commissioner and members of the said PL do not want it to.

In short, if for some reason we could only have one or the other (just for argument's sake), I'd definitely want set gameshapes, but having both enthusiasm and GS as options should be implemented ASAP as it will make the experience for supporters that much better and thus everyone profits.

We might have tunnel vision. I think we're looking at this from a different perspective, because not all teams are in such closely contested PL leagues. Enthusiasm is big, thus any enthusiasm advantage a team can create in our PL is amplified. The *option* of a set enthusiasm creates a more even playing field for all parties.

If team A) and team B) are on equal footing and team A) is shredding apart a D.II playing Take It Easy while team B) is treading water in a D.I playing Normal and absolutely must sacrifice enthusiasm in their non-PL games then therein lies a flaw. PL is arcade. If private leagues and your regular leagues are separate than they should be treated as such and clearly, at times, they aren't, and a decisive edge can be presented to a team based on their regular league schedule.

The suggestion is a minor addition. Not a change.

yodabig, I see you're one of those who bristles at the mere hint that he may have made an imperfect post. It's only the Internet, dude.

I like the idea of having the option to normalize enthusiasm, game shape, and injuries in PL games. Just like you can normalize HCA. It's three drop-down menus. Let the paying customers decide what their PL is like. The current "everything outside the PL affects the PL" rule can stand as the default setting.

Of course, enthusiasm is by far the most imperative, so if BB developers were to introduce only one variable, let it be enthusiasm.

Last edited by RiseandFire at 9/26/2010 11:29:59 PM

Ocho, I'd argue that at least game shape can be controlled without sacrificing the ability to be competitive in your league, so enthusiasm is this more important to control. Of course, we'd both like to see both options be implemented. Enthusiasm is actively dictating the end of a competitive and entertaining PL, though, and that's disappointing.

Either this, or add the option to go TIE in scrimmages, but this is easier, and more sensible.

Last edited by RiseandFire at 9/27/2010 2:38:45 AM

I agree with adding the option to limit enthusiasm in PL's. PL's are glorified scrimmages basically, and is a fun add on part of the game. We can level the playing field by having no home court advantages, why not enthusiasm too?

I'd also like the ability to play more than 1 PL game per week. Even just 1 more would be great. We could have some pretty epic leagues going that way.