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yes they are quite ffective, and much better then the Melo type of player in my eyes.

How is it better than a Melo type player?

I'd assume he means that the Artest type player is more effective than the Melo type because in his experiences with player skills,excellent defensive skills seem to have more of an impact than having a player with excellent offensive skills. I'd say so as well. There is an abundance of skills that contribute to how successful a player is on offense at certain positions, but on the defensive side, there are only 3: inside defense, outside defense and shot blocking. It's all a balancing act in the end. This next season, I'm going to really bolster my team's defense and see how much of a difference it makes first hand.

Last edited by bbomb0643 at 7/17/2011 5:53:52 PM

bomb explained it quite good, you could compensate quite easily to have a player who do nothing in offense while a player who have trouble to defend will hurt you even when he is offensiv great.

A melo Type player is not always worse than a artest type player. The reason why it would seem so is that you need 5 players that can play defense (preferably 10) while you only truly need 1 or two guys who are good scorers. A team of Artest type players would be just as bad as a team of Melo type players. However in a great team there should not be any melo type players, but even good teams have artest type players.

in 5 of 5 you are probadly right, but a team with 2 artest players could still be a contender without having so superior rest(if your artest's are fitting to your ofensiv i played a long time ago an outside attack with 2 centers without IS but better Rebs and ID for example, i missed some points through it mostly put back but it was cheaper and the opponent hopefully had some extra trouble to score too). But one Melo need a lot to compensate.

And artest are a lot cheaper salary wise, and on the tl.

Good answers. I'm mainly asking because I need help defensively but I would hate to have to lose some offense for it.

Well....Melo isn't nearly as useless on defense as people make him seem.

So it's not like he'd be a total liability out there. In fact I wouldn't even rate Melo's D at below average, he just has higher expectations as a superstar player to perform at that level on both ends, which he doesn't always do.

That said, how bad could a player with 20 JS and decent rebounding be?

Last edited by Bigcatjc at 7/18/2011 8:15:05 PM

Melo is definitely not useless on defense, but I still say Melo's D is below average due to a gross lack of consistency. When he plays man defense, he often allows for his man to roam fairly freely to whatever spot on the court he chooses. When playing on ball defense, he often allows good shooters too much space, inflating the opposition's shooting percentage. In a zone, Melo is normally a big liability, seemingly forgetful of where his zone should be or indecisive on which man he should body up. He's also suspect on switching his mark with teammates, normally left in the dust on pick and rolls. He has the tools to be a hard nosed defender, but with the expectations for him to perform on offense, I'm sure he struggles to muster enough legs to play immaculate defense the entire game through. #7 is one of my favorite players, but that dude just doesn't have the constant vigilance on the defensive side of the ball to be considered an elite defender in my opinion (for all that matters) as of yet.

I wish I had a player that I could call a Carmelo Anthony clone for sheer entertainment (imagine if you had a Melo player playing in a Patient offense), but I feel like an Artest (don't forget he can spot up shoot respectably) would help me win a championship. I like the versatility a well balanced and talented defensive player offers in this game a lot because week to week, you'll know that he will be effective at slowing down whichever player you want him to at several positions. I hate being hung out to dry when I scout an opponent and he has a big who can shoot further out and I don't have a big that can cover him on both the outside and the inside. Being able to stay in M2M defense, from what I've gathered from forum study is a huge plus in limiting the opposing AI coach's in-game adjustments, and having a player who can guard multiple positions helps keep you able to play that way.

I wish I was in a better league so I'd have more credibility. :P

1. He is useless on defense that's why he plays in New York now and I'm not saying he can't play defense, he just won't play it Two are we under the assumption that Ron Artest is bad on offense? Because last time I checked he was a pretty good shooter and in his prime he could take it to the rim. Maby shane battier would be a better player to use in this case.