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Organize? How much organizing do the hosts have to do?

I know taht we have won championship with big adventage, but we have very good team, maybe best and we won it.

Exactly! Poland is an excellent team. They might have one even without HCA, but with it, there was no doubt. To me, this diminishes the accomplishment, although maybe you don't think so.

Maybe some BB's can tell us what HCA gives to host, but I think not that big adventage You think.

+10% to ID, OD and Rb in every single game, just like HCA in every other competition. When teams are as close as they are at the NT level, that's a HUGE bonus. It is why poland was able to TIE every (or nearly every) game and win enough to be the top seed. Their enthusiasm advantage was immense because of this.

Yep, I agry with You

10% to this key skills is a huge advantage, maybe better idea will 3-5% to all skill?

Organize? How much organizing do the hosts have to do?
Ok they go it and this is all. but like in real life look at some competition, host team always play better in its territory. Look at last Championship in real in Turkey, I think taht Turkey didin't claim silver when Championships if they were play in another country.

yes we have strong team but not that strong to win at another country. The stronger team is Chile and Italy, this HCA gave us possibility to win, but I was a little scared about score

regards

Last edited by aMORFIczny at 7/26/2011 5:55:42 AM

Yep, I agry with You

10% to this key skills is a huge advantage, maybe better idea will 3-5% to all skill?

Organize? How much organizing do the hosts have to do?
Ok they go it and this is all. but like in real life look at some competition, host team always play better in its territory. Look at last Championship in real in Turkey, I think taht Turkey didin't claim silver when Championships if they were play in another country.

yes we have strong team but not that strong to win at another country. The stronger team is Chile and Italy, this HCA gave us possibility to win, but I was a little scared

regards

+10% to ID, OD and Rb in every single game, just like HCA in every other competition.

Where did you find those numbers?

I think Poland would have won this championship, no matter what. Even though 22 points are huge on that level of competition, I dont think HCA has to be changed.

I agree with you. This game must be realistic and HCA always boosts performance of the home team. So it should stay as it is.

My opinion is that HCA shouldn't exist in WC. But it will be unfair if it will be removed after this World Championships. I will be ashamed because I would be last beneficiary of HCA.
Yep, it was helpful. And therefore I think in next WC other team should have chance and easier way to glory.
I never asked for HCA. And if I check our last two matches I think Poland should win semi and final without HCA. I can say more, I think we should win these two matches even if USA and Chile had HCA. But as I said on other forum, it was helpful in earlier matches.

Please note that Poland isn't first team which get HCA in BB. In past we had many teams with HCA. I count all World Cups and first Continental Championships:

Espana (NT, European Championships, season 3 - bronze medal for Spain, first in history)
Brasil (NT, American Championships, season 3 - gold medal, first in history)
Nigeria (NT, African Championships, season 3 - gold medal, first in history)
Australia (NT, Asian Championships, season 3 - gold medal, first in history)
Italia (NT, World Championships, season 4 - gold medal, first in WC in history)
USA (NT, World Championships, season 6 - bronze medal, first medal in WC for USA)
Australia (NT, WCh, season 8 - 6th place - second HCA for Australia!)
Nigeria (NT, WCh, season 10 - 5th place - second HCA for Nigeria!)
China (NT, WCh, season 12 - silver medal - first in WC in history - second HCA for China! (first will be listed later))
Lietuva (U21, European Championships, season 6, 8th place)
Argentina (U21, American Championships, season 6, silver medal)
Tounes (U21, African Championships, season 6, 1st place (medal isn't visible on main page and I'm not sure what is official statistic, but I see this gold medal in baner on Tounes U21 page, so they consider they won tittle)).
China (U21, Asian Championships, season 6, of course gold medal - it was first HCA for China, second is listed few rows earlier)
Deutschland (U21, WCh, season 7, gold medal, first tittle in history for Deutschland)
Canada (U21, WCh, season 9, defeated in repasages)
France (U21, WCh, season 11, gold medal, first tittle for France in history)
Lietuva (U21, WCh, season 13, 5th place - second HCA for Lietuva!)
Argentina (U21, WCh, season 15, 10th place - second HCA for Argentina!)


And one more thing. HCA isn't so great advantage as You think. Remember last ECh final and keep in mind that Italia has better players than Poland.
And please consider next thing. Poland is first country in history which started in 3rd season in BB and won medal in WCh (I talk about NT-A, in U21 we had few medalists). All medals in all previous WChs were won by countries started in 1st or 2nd season. We're talking about HCA, but countries started earlier had big advantage too. Development of community need time. For many years many users in Poland thought that we can't beat Spain, Italy, Germany or France. First tournaments were strange for us because we had to play against older players.

Regards from Poland

Last edited by B.B.King at 7/26/2011 5:21:55 AM

Facing a NT with HCA is just another motivation to win ;)

Anyway, S15 Spain won on Itally home the European title, so all you need is a perfect management.

HCA is hard to beat, but it isn't unbeatable. It's just another challenge, i don't see any reason to change it,

Nobody is saying they are bitter that Poland one the NT Championship this season. It was well deserved and Poland could have won possibly on another team's soil.

However, for someone (not yourself) to say you could have won the Semi and Final on the road is ridiculous. Yes you could have done so at that point, BUT it's because you TIE'd every game up until that point. With such a huge enthusiasm advantage there was no possible way outside of your entire starting 5 getting hurt of Poland losing once the semi's were decided.

Was it unfair? No, under the current system that has been used other teams have also benefited from the same advantage the Polish did. So nobody is wanting the rule to be changed just because Poland won the title. You guys did an absolutely great job of showing why the advantage is too great though with your blowout in the championship.

Whoever said it is realistic that HCA helps in real life is correct in my opinion as well. That's why I am an advocate for a greatly reduced HCA instead of completely taking it away. It's effect is too great right now. If 10% is the real numbers i would be for 3%. Still a good advantage but more realistic and would not make it impossible for any team to overcome if HCA was handed to a top 10 NT.

That would be my solution anyway...

Last edited by Stauder at 7/26/2011 10:59:41 PM

HCA advantage isn't so big as You think. Yes, it's helpful, but no so much as I read on forum.
I think it's mainly "mental" advantage. Because other teams often use TIE than CT against team, which is considered stronger than other.
I saw it in European Qualification two seasons ago. We were in group with Spain and if we count effort of our opponents in this way:
1 - when they use TIE
2 - when they use normal
3 - when they use CT
then sum of effort used by the same opponents against Poland was (afaik) by 4 more than sum of effort used against Spain.
It's strategic choise. 3rd team "on paper" very often use TIE against 1st the best and CT against 2nd the best team in group. Because his goal is to beat one of two better teams.
And of course Spain was big favorite and Poland was team which must be beaten.
In both group phases in ECh we were CTed 4 times (in 12 matches), no other team fought 4 times against CT in ECh. Meanwhile in both group phases in WCh (9 matches) no one opponent used CT. But Chile showed that normal is enough to beat Poland ;-) But NT manager of Chile is great champion and he made good calculation that this victory open way to final. Other managers made few mistakes in TIE/normal/CT strategy.
So as I said HCA is mainly mental advantage. In match I don't see huge bonus.
One more thing. I think if Deutschland, Lietuva or France had HCA they would won repasages. Because they lost decisive matches by few points. But if You check Poland's matches in repasages You can see we won all them by 30-50 poinst. So I'm sure we should won repasages even if all three opponents had HCA.
It shows that success wasn't only effect of HCA. We made good work with training, we had some luck with gameshapes and injuries (Eygi had the best form in his career during ECh, Wisniewski during WCh, both in decisive matches). Other teams had less luck (for example case of Zuya) and made more mistakes.
I think HCA means +5 to final score. It isn't so huge.

I agree with you. This game must be realistic and HCA always boosts performance of the home team. So it should stay as it is.

Why?