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241350.3 in reply to 241350.1
Date: 5/5/2013 8:25:00 AM
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Recently a thread was open in regards to franchises who were potentially cheating. In this thread no less than 10 supporters of this game took part in it and wanted to be heard. As a supporter, they are paying for that right. They have a right to ensure and take an active, vocal, role in ensuring they are investing in a game that is being played fairly.

I haven't even finished reading your post, and I'll stop you right here. Your support for this game (as well as mine and that of others), gives you zero extra right to bitch about the game. ZERO. You can vote with your pocketbook to stop supporting any time you like, as can anyone else, and your opinion won't suddenly have any less merit. If it did have less merit for non-supporters, the game would have a very serious problem, and I for one would stop playing it altogether.

Anyway, let me try to read the rest of your post without my BS detector light going into strobe mode.

[...] I understand and respect the fact that the GM is an unpaid position done by people volunteering their time. However they have to have common sense as well. They have to understand that they are a representative of a business that is accepting people’s money and from time to time those people have a right to ensure their money is being spent wisely. Nobody wants to waste their time and money on a website that isn’t protecting its own integrity.

STROBE. Do you know all the relevant facts of the case? No? Then forgive me for asking you to stop talking out of your b-hole.

[The GM] response did nothing to ensure those that were concerned that the money they were paying for a fair game was being protected. If trust goes out the window, so will supporters and the only thing this GM will be moderating is his own Facebook page. Also the response was extremely over-reactionary to a very civil discussion overall. Yes some people were a little attacking. Some people cracked their normal share of jokes. But there was a lot of positive interaction and questioning as to what is being done about cheaters and how they are detected. Simply put, the more information that is out there to us, the better job we can assist and help make this as good a game a possible.

But overall this “crapping on our efforts”, as this GM put it, by those involved in the thread was completely unfounded.

I invite you to re-read the thread, and put yourself in the shoes of a GM while so doing. There's a line in the Game Manual that says the following:

"The following types of posts are not permitted in any forum and chat areas of Buzzerbeater:
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- Discussing staff decisions (BBs/GMs/Mods). Please e-mail appeals@buzzerbeater.com with your complaint."

The majority were not trying to crap on his or anyones effort and the assertion was unnecessary as you can see above. What this GM did was shut down an entire, important, discussion with supporters of this web site. The customers. He or any GM does not own this game, the supporters and the players who bring web traffic to the game own it. And if we have questions of this serious of magnitude, they need to be addressed, professionally and courteously.

I have already had one supporter in this thread question whether or not he is going to continue doing so after his concerns were so easily dismissed. This is why I brought this to everyones attention. So the issue can be addressed and rectified.

Again, you do not gain special privileges by supporting the game. Some nice features, sure, but your opinion and mine matter diddely-squat more than someone who has never supported the game. Stop pretending like you know what's going on behind the curtain.

This thread is a waste of time.

Last edited by darykjozef at 5/5/2013 8:26:26 AM

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241350.4 in reply to 241350.1
Date: 5/5/2013 8:59:47 AM
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What I'm pissed about is I got called out and then the thread closed leaving me unable to respond. This game has, to me, seemingly gotten worse instead of better since I joined, and I'm getting a little fed up with it.

Now, Namssor, when did I attack you? I simply stated a fact. You did avoid answering what most of us wanted to know. I can entirely understand that your hands may have been tied and you can't answer everything, but what I said was still true. There is no need to dance around the questions, either answer them or straight up say that you can't and won't talk about the issue. That's all you have to do.

Last edited by adchester at 5/5/2013 10:31:03 AM

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241350.5 in reply to 241350.4
Date: 5/5/2013 9:28:50 AM
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Although the thread was abruptly closed, I was pleased with the response that Prof Bricks mentioned above and think that is whats many of us wanted to hear. Thank you

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241350.6 in reply to 241350.3
Date: 5/5/2013 1:10:13 PM
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Dummy, you couldn't be more wrong. If there are no supporters or people playing this game, there is no game anymore. If there are people profiting from this game than they have an obligation to their customers. Period.

Your entire post isn't worth reading after that statement. I'm not even going to waste my time acknowledging the rest of the crap in it.

From: jfarb
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241350.7 in reply to 241350.5
Date: 5/5/2013 1:11:09 PM
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Woah if I was namssor I would've responded the same way, hell if I was still mod I think I would've closed the topic before it got started. Thread started turning towards blaming the ppl who are trying to give us answers. Reason I asked our GMs for a response and didn't go to the complaining forum or wherever we were supposed to go is because I know and trust namssor and Jason, and consider them our representatives. Assumed if I posted it somewhere else I wind up getting some response from a GM from France who doesnt care. Thats not a fair assumption, so we can and should just take the complaint to the BBs.

Last edited by jfarb at 5/5/2013 1:11:29 PM

From: Hoosier

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241350.8 in reply to 241350.7
Date: 5/5/2013 1:33:17 PM
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I agree with you on this completely. If policy states that a forum be closed then close it early on. Don't let it linger for 8 pages and then decide to close it in a rage, completely dismissing the valid concerns of those partaking in a forum you already deemed to be worthy topic.

From: shikago
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241350.9 in reply to 241350.7
Date: 5/5/2013 4:29:14 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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I think we're pretty lucky to have the GMs we do.
They're pretty cool about things & reasonable. Unlike a certain foreign GM. Hopefully they stay that way.
I also like that they let threads go for a while.


Sad to see another newspaper shutdown in the digital age, but c'est la vie...

From: shikago
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241350.10 in reply to 241350.8
Date: 5/5/2013 4:33:12 PM
Milwaukee Lethargy
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Also, to anyone frustrated...
IMO Getting mad at GMs is like someone being upset with a company, then taking it out on random customer service reps. It would be a whole different thing if our GMs were complete jerks & actively protecting "suspicious" teams of their own volition. But they seem to be on our side. Plus, taking things out on GMs leads to: "THIS IS WHY WE CAN"T HAVE NICE THINGS"

Sadly it looks like there's no real recourse against certain suspicious, shameless teams... all that can be done is to make others aware of the situation & to shun / ostracize said teams.


Anyway... is there a way to get across everyone's dissatisfaction directly to the BBs? Or do they already know, & just not give a damn? Because it's one or the other based on their lack of response/action.

From: Hoosier

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241350.11 in reply to 241350.10
Date: 5/6/2013 12:10:24 AM
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Very good point.

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241350.12 in reply to 241350.11
Date: 5/6/2013 3:27:13 PM
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While I appreciate your initial post and consider it at minimum to be reasonable, I must respond that you are barking up the wrong tree. From nearly the beginning this game has been run in an amateurish fashion mostly by people who protect their own interests first, and consider the needs of the base as a secondary consideration. One need only look at the history of growth in the user base to realize something serious is lacking. I was introduced to this game years ago by a couple of supporters who raved about the game's potential and became a supporter myself. Over the years those who introduced me are long gone due mostly to what they considered unprofessional management and clique based decision making. I still play but my fervor is severely reduced and my instances of referral have been reduced to 0. If the game is ever sold to a more serious business based company, and run by people who are not protecting their team and interests first perhaps concerns like yours will be reduced and properly addressed. Until then my advice is to basically take it or leave it as it is.

Last edited by buzzerbeatme at 5/6/2013 3:28:29 PM

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241350.13 in reply to 241350.12
Date: 5/6/2013 4:16:28 PM
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Your post is very interesting. I would like to see some examples of this "unprofessional" and "clique based" management. I would particularly like to see some of the decisions made to protect a certain team's interests first too. These are pretty serious accusations, and not something I myself have been witness to. I think those are some pretty serious accusations to make toward the developers of this game, and I'm certain you wouldn't have said something like that without having the information and examples to back it up. I'm just curious, since I've been around here for a while and haven't seen anything remotely close to what you describe.

Last edited by yeppers at 5/6/2013 4:17:28 PM

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