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I like at least average, though strong/proficient should be a goal. I try to avoid buying ANY player with less than awful unless I'm damn sure they'll get fitness training in bundles soon. What's the point in having high skills if they can only play 15-20 mins at a good level...

A trainer with fitness speciality will help...

What's the point in having high skills if they can only play 15-20 mins at a good level...

Exactly. Having in the past not bothered much with stamina training I can vouch for this. When I relegated from the EBBL a few seasons ago, I actually rid myself of any trainees, and trained only stamina until I had a few players on 9 and I think the lowest was around 5 or 6. The difference was astonishing. Players performed much more like you'd expect them to according to their skills. What amazes me now is that it wasn't obvious to me in the many many seasons I'd been here before that.

Coming from the winning manager of the last 2 EBBL titles & the current U21 manager, I think everyone in England should take note, especially if they are training an U21 or national level player. TBH it amazes me as well Gully, as we all know what a good manager you are now, its really not rocket science when you think about it. Oh well we we all do daft things, I know I made some bad tactical blunders last season in helping my own relegation. Live and learn I guess..

Still amazes me to see huge players with such low fitness levels on the TM. Seems there's plenty of willing buyers too...

Getting back to the original poster - yes its certainly worth training stamina if it makes sense for your squad:
- If in bad shape do like Gully did, stop everything and get your team sorted. Only fitness training makes sense if youve got a load o couch potatoes on your roster. Gee em all a good kick up the jacksey and confiscate all their candy...
- Like free throws, really roughly once per season fitness training is advisable for all decent shape rosters, on one all-star/EOS/SOS slots
- Its also worth considering selling players though if their stamina is well outta sync with the rest of the squad or putting together squads with similar stamina. Its not always that easy as we all buy/sell when there's value/opportunity or sometimes when we are forced to and new draftees/trainees with low fitness cloud it further...
- A fitness speciality trainer should be considered, ideally a superior with fitness. Though maybe a superior over an advanced with fitness. Coaches are costing a small fortune though right now, so do the best you can, but don't chase the huge priced low salary coaches. A decent wage exceptional trainer will cost a fortune...

Last edited by OlympianT20 at 3/31/2017 5:35:08 PM

While everyone else has focused on stamina in general and made good points, in relation to your team in particular - these players are basically trash who have no long term future in your team so right now training stamina is almost certainly a waste.

I assume you're focusing on training Wheelan, Rawlings and O Dubhan? As long as their stamina is above 3 I'd not train it over training their other core skills for now.

Its also worth considering selling players though if their stamina is well outta sync with the rest of the squad or putting together squads with similar stamina.

I found in the last couple of seasons that having a starter with less stamina than another player can let you play the same player as backup to both starters and their substitutions will often (not always) allow both starters rest. With two such players you can play an 8 man lineup instead of the usual 10.

Ye, I agree Bergkamp...

Only O'Dubhan & Rawlings are maybe worth keeping, but hold onto at least 12 players until you get replacements. Depends how much spare cash original poster has, but maybe:
- buy as good a trainer as you can, cheaply
- buy as good a doctor with massage as you can afford
- buy as good a PR manager as budget allows
- leave plenty to buy 2 good prospects (18yo's?) of same type to train up (PG's I'd recommend)
- train them on 1 position as much as possible
- leave some money to buy decentish players for other positions (maybe under 26? to last some time)
- make sure you can make a decent profit each week, and build up a warchest to invest wisely in future...

Its gonna take time and it will be a learning process, but it will pay off eventually. Most important thing is to make a good profit each week and to be able to enjoy/have interest in squad/games to some extent...

Great question, simple answer... Train it over 6, I like to run 8 to 9's

Try to train Stamina and Free Throws in these week when you only play 2 games (including friendly match), if you training young players I'd say leave this kind of training when they will be 27-29 year old.

Some great feedback which has given me a much better understanding.

Nice to have started a good conversation as well, hopefully hasn't only helped myself.

What's the point in having high skills if they can only play 15-20 mins at a good level...

Exactly. Having in the past not bothered much with stamina training I can vouch for this. When I relegated from the EBBL a few seasons ago, I actually rid myself of any trainees, and trained only stamina until I had a few players on 9 and I think the lowest was around 5 or 6. The difference was astonishing. Players performed much more like you'd expect them to according to their skills. What amazes me now is that it wasn't obvious to me in the many many seasons I'd been here before that.

It is more or less the fourth defense skill. Every offense and defense has a different impact on your stamina. Defense gets a bigger minus than offense. So guys with high ID and SB should have a lot of stamina. I think 10 or 12 seasons ago I made a small excel tool to see how fast skills will decrease during a game (with almost every offense and defense).

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 4/12/2017 10:49:35 AM

Just to give some feedback on this topic i trained stamina post season. Most of my players are at least respectable and it has made a positive impact on results.

Something I will keep doing.