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There's long been a gentleman's agreement between EBBL managers not to hold NT office, both for the advantage it gives you as an EBBL manager and the potential danger of bringing club rivalry into the NT scene.

Questions for Zeus

What makes you feel you are worth breaking this agreement? What exactly have you won?

Does your EBBL position threaten England's progress by bringing club rivalry into the NT scene?

How would you compare your previous record at NT level to the last four seasons?

Will you not withdraw?

Last edited by Elmacca at 6/21/2017 4:22:31 PM

To answer your questions: Elmacca

1) I have already been the NT manager before so i already know the stats of most of the English EBBL players anyway, so no harm would come of me being the NT manager once again. God forbid i know Osman's stats, that'll definitely be a game changer when we play ;) I don't believe winning has anything to do with the quality of coaching. I'm sure Woody wouldn't mind me saying that domestically he has never been in Canada's top division yet is our most decorated and profound NT coach to date. So domestic success does not equal a right to coach the NT.

2) I have no club rivarly. I play this game completely for fun. Users who are active in the community and make the effort will know that i'm a very friendly guy and in no way would use the NT to gain any position on my opponents. Quite frankly anyone who would try to 'cheat' on an online browser game has a fairly boring existence.

3) I believe my previous record for the NT was a solid foundation in terms of overall BB history for England but nothing will come close to the work Woody has done in the previous 4 seasons. I worked closely with several of the up and coming players during my reign and they became prominent features under Woody.

4) Sure i'll withdraw....considering no one else is even on the election ballot i'm sure that'll be a great idea. No one else seems to have any interest in running for this post right now and i'm a firm believer that the NT coach should either be from that country or a key member of the community otherwise, as Woody has been his entire BB tenure. I do not wish to see England fall under a guy we do not know like Tuck, who was quite frankly a disaster



Last edited by Mod-Zeus at 6/21/2017 7:35:36 PM

Woody:

1) I hope my mark has already been left on this community, my main aim with the NT is through the focus on helping managers produce players that will greatly benefit their teams. The NT job allows hands on training help through being able to see the player's progression for yourself which is vital.

2) It doesn't matter what i choose, Innes will drop 38 and be game MVP like every game ;)

As you may remember, we got Tuck because he got one vote more than an EBBL manager - me. For every Tuck, there's a Woody to counter that argument.

1. There are a lot of players aged 24-27 where you should not have seen their stats and if you do so it will give you an advantage whether you like it or not. You also did not answer my question, why break the gentlemen's agreement we have in the EBBL that none of us run for the NT? Why is that all the good reasons behind that agreement, you seem to think don't apply to you?

2. Nobody mentioned cheating, it's the lowest form of electioneering to introduce a false statement like that and respond to it. You should apologise immediately.

3. Solid and mediocre are close cousins it seems.

4. If you don't withdraw I'm going to suggest to the EBBL forum that every EBBL manager stands for election, as if you can't stick to an agreement then the next best thing is we all break it together..

I tell you what, I'll poll the EBBL managers, then they can indicate anonymously whether they support any EBBL manager also running the NT.

Last edited by Elmacca at 6/22/2017 5:13:18 AM

When was the original discussion / agreement re: the England job and EBBL managers Macca? I'm sure it was before I was around (this thread is the first I'd heard of it) so I'd be interested to have a read if it was a forum thread.

Gosh, I don't know, it feels like it's been in place for ages. Maybe after Tuck screwed us over? I think then the consensus was we should stay English but preferably someone dropping out of the EBBL for a while to rebuild.

i.e. Wasps is probably the best candidate in II.level but he volunteered to stick with the U21s when none of our up and coming English managerial talent felt they could commit to the role.

I don't remember an actual post, but it comes up every now and then. It came up when I ran for the NT to be re elected. The first time I stood I was in D2, so I was already NT manager by the time I was in the EBBL. It was generally felt at the time that it was fine for me to stand for two reasons. I wasn't a threat to the top teams, and I didn't have an NT player.

Last edited by Gully Foyle at 6/22/2017 9:19:38 AM

That's true - whereas the Ballers have 2 NT players, probably 3 depending on game shape providing the core of a rock solid contender for the EBBL title.

I just feel this candidature is a bad idea, despite some of the harsh language I've used, it's not personal (although I was pretty underwhelmed by Zeus' last stewardship of the NT, it's true).

I just feel that it's a bad idea to put yourself forward for the NT job while you have 3 NT players on board and are clearly lining up for a run at the EBBL title.

On a lesser level, I feel managers should get to the EBBL, win something and then drop out of the EBBL if they want to have a crack with the NT team.

Last edited by Elmacca at 6/22/2017 9:29:21 AM

Are you threatened by the fact i'm running for the NT? You seem hell bent on me not getting it when quite frankly we've hardly ever communicated on this game other than when you just wanted to flame my last tenure as NT coach. You seem to be the only EBBL manager who's making the effort to say no EBBL manager should run, so i'm going to take that with a pinch of salt quite frankly. If other managers that i respect on this game come forward and voice that they don't want me to run that's fair play. But a one man show trying to shut me down is not going to happen.

I'm also yet to see another candidate even tick the election box. In that case we'll end up with no one running the NT, sounds good to me

Last edited by Mod-Zeus at 6/22/2017 9:51:21 AM

I'm not entirely happy with it either. For one thing its probably best our NT manager only has to concentrate on doing his best for the England team, whereas conceivably you could be fighting for the league and cup double with your team.

We had a decent candidate from Germany who had been good enough to approach us before the election even started and he seemed like a good candidate to me. I felt I made that clear but my opinion was ignored.

I've been NT manager so I know what its like. I never played Fallon but he made the NT after I was gone. Is that significant? I don't know. Did it hurt England that I didn't pick him? No, but I think I was harsher on my own player than on others. Certainly I was more clear about his worth to the NT after I'd quit. So I don't t hink cheating is the issue at all.

I apologise if this offends you, but its my opinion.

Sorry for interrupting this debate. I am the supposed opponent of Zeus,(But since he is a real strong candidate, I decided to go for another country) and I am following this discussion with interest.

You had an agreement that an EBBL manager should not manage the NT, because of the knowledge of the skills ? That sounds a bit weird for me as somebody from outside of british community. First, what a boring life must somebody have to cheat in an online-game (argument of Woody ?) And with the new tool to remove somebody like Tuck (?) from his position, if the the agreement of his work goes below a certain percentage. We in Germany had now for 4 seasons a NT from the 1.division. He won titles, but not because he knows the skills, but because of his team was really good. We had never the idea to think in this direction.

This ist from me. Sorry again for the interruption